Posted on 07/14/2012 3:50:01 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
In N.C.A.A. parlance, “lack of institutional control” is a hazy, almost undefinable term. It is also the organization’s ultimate admonishment, the phrase it utters before handing down its most severe penalties.
Now, in light of the child sexual abuse scandal at Penn State, there is some question about whether those nebulous words will be used by the N.C.A.A. to impose serious sanctions on the Nittany Lions football program, perhaps even forcing the team to shut down for a time, the so-called death penalty.
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If the NCAA does not give that house of perversion the death penalty, they have lost all credibility.
Big difference..you can’t SMELL what’s happening at the local Army base.
What is the matter with you people? There is no reason to punish the innocent. Current PSU players and coaches and students have nothing to do with this and should not be punished. They have done nothing wrong. The guilty are either dead, in prison, or are in the process of adjudication. Whatever happened to the principle of ex post facto?
I have to wonder if McQueary didn’t tell at least a few of his players and friends. I believe more than four people knew about this....5 counting Sandusky and many young boys.
IMHO Paterno should have every victory since 1998, when he first learned about Sandusky, stripped from his record.
All the stuff the NCAA comes down on teams for involves recruitment to the team or maintaining the amateur status of the players. Everything else they leave up to the law men. There won’t be any NCAA punishments on this, and there really shouldn’t be.
You make me sick.
lack of institutional control” is a hazy, almost undefinable term. It is also the organization’s ultimate admonishment, the phrase it utters before handing down its most severe penalties.
Yes when the penalty is for infractions by players or related to recruiting. Sandusky being a homosexual pervert has nothing to do with anyone playing football or anyone that was recruited to Penn State. Yes many horrible things should be done to Administrators etc at the school. But on what basis can the NCAA do anything to a bunch of football players that have done nothing wrong, where not even there when bad things were done?
Most, or maybe all, NCAA rules violations are not crimes. Criminal behavior is the business of law enforcement and the courts, not the NCAA.
PSU will pay a heavy price in civil law suits, or in out-of-court settlements, and in other ways as a result of this. Sandusky has been tried and convicted and the three living higher ups may well face criminal charges.
It won’t surprise me if the NCAA does nothing.
Why? I don’t understand why any innocent people should be punished. I believe the guilty should be punished, not the innocent.
Blast off, and nuke Happy Valley from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
I want to hear your empathy for the innocent 10 year old victims of anal rape, NOT for the untouched football players there now...when other individuals at other programs did bad, it's ALWAYS others who did nothing who suffer too.
WRONG! PSU has had record contributions from it’s proud Alumni. I say cut off all Federal and State Aid. Save the taxpayers some money. Let Penn State support Penn State.
Everyone on FR can quit dreaming of the NCAA Death Penalty for the football program. It will not happen. The NCAA is a fraud organization. They operate like a useless government agency. The death of the football program is happening as it should. Great football players will no longer go there. Losing records, no bowl appearances, and national scorn for years to come. That is the reality.
Next up Alabama where Lou Saban’s daughter assaulted another girl on campus. No chance she’ll get off right? Hahaha! That incident will be buried so fast you better not blink or you will miss it.
I’ve said this repeatedly and I won’t repeat it again-—the guilty should be punished to the fullest extent of the law—anyone and everyone at the university from the president on down to the janitors who witnessed these acts and said nothing. Acts of commission and omission. The innocent, however, must never be punished. Period. I’m tired of repeating myself for those who don’t or won’t get it. I have the utmost compassion and empathy for the victims and their families but punishing the innocent will not make them whole.
I think you meant Nick Saban at Alabama, not Lou Saban, the other unrelated famous coach.
This happened at Penn State, but who doesn’t think this couldn’t happen at Alabama, Texas, Michigan, USC, or even at basketball powers like Kansas or North Carolina?
College sports is the most corrupt sporting institution in this country, hands down. Fans will overlook rape, murder, molesting, cheating, and other illegal and institutional violations, if it means conference championships, bowl victories, NCAA tournament runs, and national championships. Roll Tide; Hook em’ Horns, On Wisconsin, Rock Chalk Jayhawk, we are Penn State; win at all costs!!!! So what if our assistants molest over 50 kids, or our players rape girls all over campuses, or we pay players to come to our school, or violate so many NCAA violations. We won the NCAA tournament, or the Fiesta Bowl! Go team go!!!! Kentucky is so much of a better school than Rice, because they have won 8 national basketball championships, and Rice has won zero. And Alabama is a much better school than Northwestern, because Alabama has won 13 national football championships, and Northwestern has won zero.
In the SEC (Surely Everyone’s Cheating), every school except for Vanderbilt has had major NCAA violations since 1990. And why do these schools do it? Well, how many Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, and Rose Bowls, and national championships in football or basketball has Vanderbilt won? (actually ZERO - EVER!!!) How many has Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Florida, Arkansas, and Kentucky won just since 1990? In basketball, those teams have won 6 N.C., and in football they have won 12 national championships since 1990. Nobody cares how much the SEC schools cheat; its just their WINNING(Charlie Sheen??????) attitude that everyone cares about.
I have always had high regard and respect for the southern states as having more moral, God-fearing, descent folks than the rest of the country. I guess in college sports, though, they absolutely don’t.
“You make me sick.”
No truer words have been uttered in regard to old huck! He’s evidently a “sports cool aid drinker” who doesn’t believe that PSU should suffer ANY penalty. Well when they raid the whorehouse, they take the piano player too, and so it is that PSU, the school and all who go there, need to suffer for what their collective “support” for Joe Pa and “the program” have done to innocent lives. To suggest that PSU be allowed to go on it’s merry way now that Sandusky is in the slammer and Joe Pa is dead, is just ludicrous! Even today the trustees are having weak knees about dropping old Joe Pa’s statue because of “what the alumni might think.” So it’s all about the money, screw the lives of the kids who were raped.
The piano player knows what kind of business he's working for. Out of the many thousands associated with Penn State only a handful knew or suspected what had happened.
Do you yourself know what's going on -- in secret -- at your alma mater? How would you know whether one person at that university is molesting children, and a few others not doing enough to stop it? To use a phrase applied earlier to Penn State, would that make your alma mater -- tens of thousands of persons who knew nothing about it -- "a house of perversion"?
I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'd assume that out of every diverse group of tens of thousands of persons there would be criminals of various types: a child molester, a rapist, a sadistic wife-beater, thieves in considerable numbers, and maybe even a murderer. That's no reason to blame the others.
That's the least the NCAA should do - shut them down. That sends the message... other perverts are watching.
> In the SEC (Surely Everyone’s Cheating), every school except for Vanderbilt has had major NCAA violations since 1990...I have always had high regard and respect for the southern states as having more moral, God-fearing, descent folks than the rest of the country. I guess in college sports, though, they absolutely don’t.
‘Major’ doesn’t necessarily mean it helped them significantly in winning (though I don’t doubt that some of that has occurred). My alma mater, the University of South Carolina, just got one for some players staying at a local hotel for a much lower long-term rate than ordinary customers (apparently the hotel benefited because other customers like to be around football players). It wasn’t accused of using that to gain a competitive advantage in recruiting, though, and the university itself took steps to remedy it (after its compliance officer had admittedly been grossly negligent in monitoring the situation).
I think the main reason the SEC tends to win in football is that recruits like to play in whatever conference is best at the moment, and right now that’s the SEC. Also that conference pays coaches a lot, and football is the major sport in the high schools, and a big part of popular culture.
The University of South Carolina won two straight national championships in baseball, though, and made it to the finals the third year (this year) without any scandal or credible accusation that it won because of cheating. It has had good coaches, and in recent years has built a nice stadium and facilities (totally within the rules). Also the climate of the South gives southern schools an advantage in baseball.
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