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ATF Sales Form Profiles Hispanics and Latinos?
guns.com ^ | 16 July, 2012 | S.H. Blannelberry

Posted on 07/17/2012 7:16:36 AM PDT by marktwain

Last week, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives amended its Form 4473, the Firearms Transaction Record, so that it now requires purchasers buying a firearm from a Federal Firearm Licensee (FFL) or gun dealer to identify if their “ethnicity” is “Hispanic or Latino.”

“Failure to do so will cause potential criminal prosecution and a denial of Second Amendment Rights,” author and attorney Evan Nappen, who first reported the change, wrote on the Pro-Gun New Hampshire website. “The Form 4473 has been around since 1968, but never before has one ethnic group been singled out where individuals have to affirmatively state whether they ARE or ARE NOT a member.”

“What if the ‘ethnicity’ question demanded ‘Jew or Not a Jew’?” Nappen asked. “Would that ethnicity question be acceptable?

“[I]t is offensive and not necessary,” he continued.” It has nothing whatsoever to do with one’s qualification to purchase a gun.”

As mentioned, Form 4473 is the official document that must filled out when a person purchases a firearm from an FFL.

The form is not technically considered to be a registration form, but rather a sales form that contains one’s name, address, date of birth, a copy of one’s ID, the result of the NICS background check, the make/model/serial number of the firearm, and a signed affidavit that the purchaser is eligible to own the gun under federal law.

The FFL is required by law to keep the Form 4473s in a bound-book for as long as he/she remains in business. Once the store closes down or the owner retires, he/she must surrender the records to the ATF.

The ATF is allowed to inspect an owner’s bound-book or request a copy of the Form 4473 only during the course of a criminal investigation. Otherwise, that information is supposed to remain private – in a FFL’s possession - and away from the hands of the government, hence, the distinction between ‘sales/transaction form’ and ‘registration form.’

So, what’s the ATF’s reasoning behind the change?

Well, apparently it falls in line with a 1997 government directive from the Office of Management and Budget to standardize race and ethnicity on all federal forms.

However, Mr. Nappen, who was interviewed by Examiner.com following the publication of his initial report, called that a “lame excuse,” pointing out the OMB directive only pertained to agency action such as statistical reporting, general program administrative and grant reporting, and civil rights and other compliance reporting - none of which apply to Form 4473.

“Just because the Government has a racist approach to its agency statistics and reporting, does not mean its fine for 4473s. 4473s are not ‘gun buyer surveys.’ 4473s are not a sociological study. They are ‘confidential’ individual applications of record for a gun transfer from an FFL,” Nappen argued.

“Also please keep in mind, this is being done nine years after the end date of the OMB directive, it’s after Fast and Furious, and it’s after ‘emergency’ multi-rifle reporting requirements being imposed on border state gun shops,” he told the Examiner.

“Who is kidding who?” he challenged.

What’s your take? Is this racism or ethnic profiling? Or is it just the government standardizing forms?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; constitution; hispanic
The arrogance of this administration is exceeded only by its incompetence.
1 posted on 07/17/2012 7:16:49 AM PDT by marktwain
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2 posted on 07/17/2012 7:19:03 AM PDT by marktwain
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The BATF isn't only racist. They view all of us as equally worthless.
3 posted on 07/17/2012 7:27:58 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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It’s not incompetence, this has been deliberately done. I suspect that the real reason is not going to make people happy and it’s going to make the F&F scandal worse.

There was a very recent Firearms Technology Branch ruling that came out that is in direct contradiction to a judges ruling. The author of this ruling, who shall remain nameless for now, doesn’t know it yet but is facing criminal contempt charges from the court over this. His career is about to end in a bad way.

But, this shows the contempt BATFE and our Government has for the due process of law, and the American people.


4 posted on 07/17/2012 7:46:57 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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When will the Jews have to start wearing yellow ‘Stars of David?’ Wake up AmeriKa!


5 posted on 07/17/2012 7:54:00 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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When I picked up a pistol, the FFL dealer and his son had a discussion about who checked the box because it was in the dealer section. They had me check the box.

I had bought a Sig Sauer P250 Diamondplate. Sig’s are expensive and I’ve passed them up in the past. This one was a bargain.

Go rent one and try the unusual trigger.

http://www.pistolandpawn.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=306&products_id=80626


6 posted on 07/17/2012 7:58:16 AM PDT by KyGeezer
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It's neither -- the Census Bureau has long held that Hispanic/Latino is not a race but an denotes Spanish-speaking Ccrribean, Latin American or Iberian origin, and that they can be of any race. The government is trying to have a uniform approach to its statistics.

This is actually the kind of clear thinking conservatives should support. Latinos can be of any race (this diversify is more obvious in big cities on the East Coast maybe than in other places, to be sure). The monolithic liberal way of seeing the world is black vs. white, with anyone who is black-looking being black (descendants of slaves or Nigerians who stepped off the plane alike) everyone who is neither white nor black being expected to prove their oppression to merit some portion of the policy benefit that goes to blacks by default.
7 posted on 07/17/2012 8:06:57 AM PDT by only1percent
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This is far worse than it might seem on the surface, as the government is now fully involved with data mining.

For example, add this to both the government and corporate information about you as a person. Not only does the information add up, but new information is derived from that information.

And the information they already have, and the derived information, are often wildly wrong.

And there is little or no error correction. An established error will probably corrupt correct later data to reflect the error.


8 posted on 07/17/2012 9:25:52 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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I posted the article on my facebook page. But when I shared it, where it say's; "Say something here" I posted that the article was by: so & so along with the Spanish translation of the first two paragraphs. :)

I don't think Latino's are going to love obama for this one? I don't think that's a real vote catcher for him.

Anybody else have a facebook page or other social type pages might want to do the same thing? Well if you do, here is the site that I used to translate English into Spanish

http://www.online-translator.com/Default.aspx/Text


9 posted on 07/17/2012 10:22:00 AM PDT by GloriaJane (Pro Choice = Pro Death - Pro Life = Pro LIFE!)
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