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Chicago Teachers Union thumbs nose at proposed 20% raise
Townhall.com ^ | July 17, 2012 | Kyle Olson

Posted on 07/17/2012 2:30:24 PM PDT by Kaslin

The Chicago Teachers Union made headlines a few months ago when it was revealed that the union was demanding a 30 percent raise in its new contract proposal.

Such an enormous raise – regardless of the supposed justification – would be unthinkable in a district with a $665 million budget deficit and a 9.8 percent unemployment rate.

The school board countered with an offer of a two percent raise, which would still be a burden on the district’s overstretched budget.

As a result, both the CTU and Chicago Public Schools requested an “independent” fact finder to look at both sides’ proposals and suggest some sort of compromise.

This morning, the fact finder is expected to release his report, which calls for a 15-20 percent raise for CTU members in the first year of the contract, according to the Chicago Tribune.

And the union is expected to reject that recommendation.

Thumbing its nose at a massive raise – which incidentally has no relationship to job performance – will likely not be received well in a community that is enduring some of the worst unemployment rates in the country.

The Tribune reports:

“The Chicago Teachers Union had gone into negotiations asking for a wage increase of nearly 30 percent over two years. Sources said the union realizes that the price of a major pay hike in terms of lost jobs and working conditions would be too high.

“Union officials now face the task of explaining to members why it would reject a salary increase that is less than they asked for but significantly higher than the 2 percent first-year raise CPS initially offered.”

Sources tell EAGnews.org that the union will be assembling its leaders Wednesday to formally accept or reject the fact finders report. At that meeting, it will also likely set a date to strike.

Why won’t the union schedule a vote of members to see how they feel about a 15-20 percent raise. My guess is that they would jump on it, but union leaders are not asking their opinion. They seem determined to go out on strike, probably just as school is set to begin in September.

Just for the record, the students of Chicago were never mentioned in the Tribune report about the labor talks. This is further proof that in union schools, they are frequently treated as afterthoughts while the adults fight over money.

And I thought schools existed for children. Silly me.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2012; arth; corruption; democrats; greed; unions

1 posted on 07/17/2012 2:30:27 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Maybe they should go on strike.

It would be better for the children.................


2 posted on 07/17/2012 2:33:59 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Kaslin

The fact finder must be an idiot.

Will there be anyone in Chicago who will stand up to the union and say, NO MORE!

(CRICKETS)


3 posted on 07/17/2012 2:43:09 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Red Badger

Give them the 30% raise then fire 40% of the teachers, including the extra staff that don’t teach, and we might have a good deal. There is so much dead wood in our schools that it drives up the cost to the taxpayer and our children are not up to par in standardized tests. Charter Schools and non union teachers are the answer.


4 posted on 07/17/2012 2:43:38 PM PDT by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: BatGuano

P R I V A T I Z E ...................


5 posted on 07/17/2012 2:48:42 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Red Badger

Exactly. Give them the raise. Bankrupt the system. Shut the place down, sell the assets, 100% privatization. Replicate in 100% of counties nationwide ...


6 posted on 07/17/2012 2:53:14 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Keeping the drama to a minimum)
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To: Kaslin

Clearly those who are employed and pay taxes need to step up and take care of this little situation. It sounds like someone is not paying their “fair share”. (/s)


7 posted on 07/17/2012 2:54:12 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Kaslin
I've a co-worker that told me the other day...that he had his yearly review and didn't get a raise. NOTHING. NADA. NYET.

Not a COLA, not an explanation...nothing.

And these pukes that I help pay their salaries complain!

If Obummer wants to kill America....he's on the right path.

8 posted on 07/17/2012 3:00:02 PM PDT by Osage Orange (8675309)
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To: Kaslin
Public employee unions should be done away with.

We can count of a business owner negotiating in good faith with an employee union.

OBVIOUSLY we cannot count on elected officials negotiating in good faith with an employee union.

1) it isn't their money they are giving away
2) the money they give away to unions often end up being ‘donated’ to their election campaigns
3) they are public employees themselves and often stand to benefit from the “concessions” they make.

Currently the guy who ‘negotiated’ the sweetheart deals for the unions in Scranton has been HIRED BY THEM to represent their interests in not having their benefits cut - despite Scranton going bankrupt.

9 posted on 07/17/2012 3:06:45 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Kaslin; metmom; wintertime

Another reason for the separation of School and State.


10 posted on 07/17/2012 3:10:18 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Kaslin

Not your fault but the story is useless without stating average, median, top salaries and benefit packages values for teachers and the administration.

I bet they’re triple Chicago’s average salaries ... takers? ;-)


11 posted on 07/17/2012 3:18:56 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: allmendream
We can count on a business owner negotiating in good faith with an employee union.

Not really, but if private businesses do badly by their employees, the employees can look for better jobs, and if unions in private business go too far, the businesses shut down. (Whoops.)

There are no controls on government unions and government spending other than city/county bankruptcy or taxpayer revolt, and the latter seems to just never happen.

12 posted on 07/17/2012 3:22:07 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Keeping the drama to a minimum)
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To: Kaslin
Chicago Teachers Union thumbs nose at proposed 20% raise

Time to invoke a "Wisconsen Plan". Of course it won't happen in the Chicaago "Thugocracy".

13 posted on 07/17/2012 3:23:14 PM PDT by GoldenPup (Comrade "O" has got to GO!!)
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To: Tax-chick

What I mean by that is we can count on a business owner not “giving away the store” because it is HIS money. If he makes too generous concessions - he is out of business - and the employees are out of a job.

Both parties have, as their best interest, the continued existence of the company.

That is just not the case with a Public Employee Union, because profitability is not a concern, it isn’t their money they are playing with, and many fully expect bailouts if thing go wrong.


14 posted on 07/17/2012 3:26:34 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Kaslin
no relationship to job performance

Ain't that the truth.

15 posted on 07/17/2012 3:28:47 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Kaslin
And I thought schools existed for children. Silly me.

No, stupid you.

16 posted on 07/17/2012 3:29:03 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: allmendream

Put that way, I completely agree.


17 posted on 07/17/2012 3:34:06 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Keeping the drama to a minimum)
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To: HIDEK6

I think the author was being ironic.

My county and its school district are dealing with budget issues (of course), and all the public debate is about “saving jobs,” not about whether the district is using our money wisely and has the academic results to prove that the employees are a good value.


18 posted on 07/17/2012 3:38:07 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Keeping the drama to a minimum)
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To: allmendream

19 posted on 07/17/2012 3:41:19 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Kaslin

Pigs. Many people haven’t had raises, or jobs, in years, what makes these teachers think they should get ANY raises?


20 posted on 07/17/2012 4:19:27 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Kaslin
Chicago Teachers Union thumbs nose at proposed 20% raise

The city has not, and will not, propose a raise anywhere close to 20%. I'd be surprised if Rahm boosts the 2% hike that's on the table.

21 posted on 07/17/2012 4:44:59 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Kaslin
As a result, both the CTU and Chicago Public Schools requested an “independent” fact finder to look at both sides’ proposals and suggest some sort of compromise.

Of course the union thugs are seeking a so-called compromise. Decades of such compromises are bankrupting communities nationwide.

Even as they negotiate. How about this, you overpaid arrogant losers...

Offer them a 25% cut in pay.
In return, they get to keep their jobs.

Even a 2% increase is a criminal lapse of fiduciary responsibily on the part of those other elected criminals.

22 posted on 07/17/2012 6:49:18 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Osage Orange
I've a co-worker that told me the other day...that he had his yearly review and didn't get a raise. NOTHING. NADA. NYET.

I worked for a local county and retired in 2007. For the last three years of employment, we enjoyed the "NOTHING. NADA. NICHIGO" solution to a looming financial crisis. Far as I know, nothing has changed.

The Teacher thugs actually believe that they are more equal than the taxpayers who pay their salaries.

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23 posted on 07/17/2012 7:18:41 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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24 posted on 07/18/2012 7:12:03 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; SJackson; BillyBoy; Impy; GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

A 20% raise would be a bonanza for me, like winning the lottery. Also, these teachers are seeking an even bigger raise when their schools are among the worst in the country.


25 posted on 07/18/2012 12:18:51 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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To: Kaslin
My son got a 15% raise this year.

I think he is the only one in his company that got a raise of that magnitude.

Of course, he was a water-walker (heck, probably an air-walker) at the pipeline engineering company at which he was hired straight out of college last year at a fairly low (for engineers) salary. Now the company he works at is scared spitless he might go somewhere else, so they bumped up his salary to keep him.

And that is the type of raise *every* teacher in Chicago, even the worst, expects as just for showing up in the morning, if they feel like showing up.

BTW - my son was home-schooled.

26 posted on 07/18/2012 12:33:23 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; BillyBoy; GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj; sickoflibs

On behalf of every kid in Chicago I urge them to reject all deals on go on strike!!!

I’d had exactly one teacher I liked enough to want her to make more money and she had moved here from Maryland (and went back I think). She claimed they gave “E”’s there instead of “F”’s. I called her a bitch once and she heard me and just laughed it off, give her a raise and an award!

The rest should make minimum wage.

Oh wait I thought of another good teacher, his name was Ferrer, said he was related to actor Jose Ferrer. He once said the the sh word within earshot of kindergardeners and was chastised by a girl in my class, true story.

The city, county and state are practically bankrupt because of these union cows.


27 posted on 07/21/2012 4:42:07 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Ironically, that’s about what the Chicago Teacher’s Union president looks like ... (I’m serious!)


28 posted on 07/21/2012 5:14:49 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative


29 posted on 07/21/2012 5:34:58 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: listenhillary
For heavens sake, next time warn me. I swear, I just threw up in my mouth at the sight of that. Given I had spicey mexican for dinner, that was NOT pleasant!

Shame on you!

(snicker....)

30 posted on 07/21/2012 8:51:42 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

Worms growing out of her head?

You brought it up. Wait.. Let me rephrase that.


31 posted on 07/21/2012 8:57:40 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Rahm will offer them 10%. And you can take that to the bank.


32 posted on 07/21/2012 8:58:53 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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