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Cinemark doesn't allow CCW
The Truth About Guns ^ | 7/20/2012 | Robert Farago

Posted on 07/20/2012 8:46:30 AM PDT by drbuzzard

“Headquartered in Plano, TX, Cinemark Holdings, Inc. is a leader in the motion picture exhibition industry with 459 theatres and 5,181 screens in the U.S. and Latin America as of March 31, 2012,” their website reports. Cinemark owns the Century 16 movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, scene of last night’s mass shooting. Cinemark doesn’t allow anyone other than law enforcement officers to carry legal firearms in their theaters.

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About what I expected from going to other Cinemark theaters.
1 posted on 07/20/2012 8:46:37 AM PDT by drbuzzard
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To: drbuzzard

If they don’t allow guns as a rule then there is no logical way this could have happened!

No logical way at all!

None!


2 posted on 07/20/2012 8:51:24 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: drbuzzard
Do they post it at the entrance
to their theaters in Colorado ?

3 posted on 07/20/2012 8:53:40 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: drbuzzard
How would they know? Do they have metal detectors?
4 posted on 07/20/2012 8:54:10 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will j rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: drbuzzard

The signs sure did their job last night.


5 posted on 07/20/2012 8:54:12 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: drbuzzard
Cinemark doesn’t allow anyone other than law enforcement officers to carry legal firearms in their theaters.

The hell you say!
I've been carrying to the movies for years and never seen a 30.06 posted.

6 posted on 07/20/2012 8:54:14 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party of NO! Nobama, No Way, No How!)
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To: drbuzzard

That’s strange. I go to the Cinemark here in Denton all the time while carrying concealed (legally of course with a TX CHL). I do not recall ever seeing the required 30.06 sign at the door, nor any of the unenforceable “gun with a red slash across it” signs either. Even if they did have the latter sign up, I would ignore it anyway as it is not in compliance with the TX CHL laws.


7 posted on 07/20/2012 8:55:29 AM PDT by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics)
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To: drbuzzard
Obviously a theater chain to be avoided. Just like most colleges, it is a victim zone where any perp knows there won't be any armed resistance.
8 posted on 07/20/2012 8:55:40 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: VanDeKoik

Was James Holmes made aware of this rule before he entered the theater?


9 posted on 07/20/2012 8:55:47 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

I know the one in Pueblo does. I’ve never been to the one in Aurora.


10 posted on 07/20/2012 8:56:07 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: drbuzzard

“Cinemark doesn’t allow guns...”

Recent evidence suggests otherwise.


11 posted on 07/20/2012 8:56:13 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: drbuzzard

I may be exaggerating my likely response but I can’t imagine running away from this. I’d want to take him down.


12 posted on 07/20/2012 8:56:24 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: drbuzzard
Cinemark doesn't allow CCW

Well in that case, the shooter is in big trouble.

13 posted on 07/20/2012 8:57:03 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: FortWorthPatriot

What is “ther required 30.06 sign”?


14 posted on 07/20/2012 8:57:42 AM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: VanDeKoik

Yup. This guy is in REAL trouble now since they don’t allow firearms in the theater. I kind of thought that they might not allow firearms so gotta agree, how could this have possibly happened. Especially if they have “signs” posted. Maybe they don’t have them on the exit doors. If they did have signs, maybe this guy couldn’t read them based on today’s educational norms.

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.


15 posted on 07/20/2012 8:57:50 AM PDT by rktman
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To: dfwgator

I expect he’ll get a lifetime ban from this particular Cinemark location.


16 posted on 07/20/2012 8:58:18 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Well, they did say “legal” firearms. So if you have an illegal firearm I guess you would be okay then.

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.


17 posted on 07/20/2012 9:00:04 AM PDT by rktman
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To: drbuzzard

That’s a relief! If some of the moviegoers had been armed, we don’t know what terrible things might have happened!


18 posted on 07/20/2012 9:00:34 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: jimfree

At least no more free popcorn for him.


19 posted on 07/20/2012 9:00:50 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Texas Penal Code section dealing with requirements of an enforceable prohibition on carry of concealed weapons on a business’ premises. I have a judge/prosecutor CHL and those signs don’t apply, but other CHL holders have to comply with a properly posted “shoot anybody you want ‘cause nobody can bring a gun here” signs.

Ahem...


20 posted on 07/20/2012 9:01:41 AM PDT by jagusafr
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To: Coldwater Creek

CCHL holders are law abiding citizens, and when it is posted “no guns” CCHL’s don’t carry into that building (and sometimes simply do not go there).


21 posted on 07/20/2012 9:02:23 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: jimfree

He was apparently a crafty bugger. Using body armor and tear gas really would have made someone with a CCW handgun have a hell of a time taking him. A head shot in tear gas has to be tricky.


22 posted on 07/20/2012 9:02:29 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: dfwgator

“Cinemark doesn’t allow CCW”

Free-fire zone.


23 posted on 07/20/2012 9:02:35 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: drbuzzard

This proves Bloomberg is right in his comments today—we do need to do something about guns.

Laws governing conceal carry permits should be liberalized, allowing more law abiding citizens to carry guns, anywhere they choose to carry them.

If this had been done sooner, it would have prevented huge numbers of gun related homicides.


24 posted on 07/20/2012 9:02:51 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: drbuzzard

I heard folks describe the gunman as walking away from them shooting randomly. If I can see his back I can be on it.


25 posted on 07/20/2012 9:04:26 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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Keep FR Running

Counter the MSM spin machine.

26 posted on 07/20/2012 9:05:41 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: drbuzzard

“A head shot in tear gas has to be tricky.”

Legs/groin area is easier to hit, and most body armor doesn’t reach down that far.


27 posted on 07/20/2012 9:07:50 AM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: VanDeKoik

Better to be judged by 12 ... what is the fine for ignoring their STUPID no gun rule


28 posted on 07/20/2012 9:08:38 AM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June28 2012)
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To: drbuzzard

You can’t seriously be suggesting that more guns in a DARK theater would have helped against a man in black with four guns and a canister of gas.

Or maybe you could.

Sure. All those poor folk needed was crossfire in the dark.

Wish I knew how to post that face palm photo.


29 posted on 07/20/2012 9:10:58 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: FortWorthPatriot

The Cinemark here where I live used to have the standard 30.06 up on the door behind the ticket booth. I was often covered by movie posters.

Now its gone and all they have is a little sticker with a gun and a slash over it.


30 posted on 07/20/2012 9:12:09 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Doctor 2Brains

What is “the required 30.06 sign”?

In reference to Section 30.06 of the Texas Penal Code which prohibits carry of concealed weapons in areas posted with the required warning text in both English and Spanish in block letters at least one inch tall. You almost never see these signs ... anywhere.

31 posted on 07/20/2012 9:14:03 AM PDT by Zakeet (Like Barack said, "We can't be broke cause we still have checks in the checkbook.")
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To: Jedidah

You’re joking right ? If not ... you’re on the wrong site


32 posted on 07/20/2012 9:14:23 AM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June28 2012)
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To: drbuzzard

And it was dark. And the perp was wearing black.

Thank you for some common sense.


33 posted on 07/20/2012 9:14:39 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: drbuzzard

Since Cinemark does not care about the safety of its patrons, who would let their children go there?


34 posted on 07/20/2012 9:16:13 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: jimfree

It’s interesting to speculate what would’ve happened if someone in the theater was carrying. First, i would have to think it would be hard in the dark, especially with all the panic and commotion going on, to identify the gunman. The gunman is just shooting at random more or less, so identifying the right target is of no concern to him. Nor is he concerned what will happen if he misses his target (i.e., that he might hit someone he wasn’t aiming at). Plus, reports are that the gunman was wearing a bulletproof vest. So it might have taken a head shot to stop him, which wouldn’t be easy in the dark.

And then too, when the police arrive will they think the guy who happened to be carrying when all this went done was an accomplice instead of someone trying to take out the madman? In this case it would be obvious, at least afterward, since he wouldn’t be sporting a bulletproof vest. But would the police arriving on the scene shoot first and sort everything out later?


35 posted on 07/20/2012 9:18:07 AM PDT by Humbug
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To: Jedidah

So you think that the perp would not find a “softer” target if he knew that there were armed people in the theater.


36 posted on 07/20/2012 9:18:36 AM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June28 2012)
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To: drbuzzard

But a single individual firing back on the perp, whether or not they hit him, would have distracted him long enough for many to escape.

Imagine the effect of two trained CCW holders on the scene, or three or five.


37 posted on 07/20/2012 9:18:46 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: clamper1797

I hold to the hope that FR is a site promoting common sense, both in politics and in American society.

My family owns an arsenal. We also have the good sense to know that guns aren’t the answer to all problems, and that they wouldn’t have stopped what happened in Colorado last night but would probably have resulted in more casualties.


38 posted on 07/20/2012 9:19:31 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Carbonsteel

I haven’t gone to a movie theater in years. If I can’t get it on Netfix, I just won’t see it. Movies are generally so raunchy these days that I don’t care to see many of the ones coming out today.

I never though of screwing as a spectator sport.


39 posted on 07/20/2012 9:19:46 AM PDT by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Carbonsteel

I haven’t gone to a movie theater in years. If I can’t get it on Netfix, I just won’t see it. Movies are generally so raunchy these days that I don’t care to see many of the ones coming out today.

I never though of screwing as a spectator sport.


40 posted on 07/20/2012 9:20:00 AM PDT by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Humbug

The cops were there in minutes ... when seconds count.


41 posted on 07/20/2012 9:23:13 AM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June28 2012)
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To: Humbug

The fact remains—allowing trained citizens to carry guns will decrease gun violence.

Israel allows citizens to carry weapons for a very simple reason: because they know what works.


42 posted on 07/20/2012 9:23:28 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: drbuzzard
Well that makes sense, I mean we wouldn't want someone to go in and start shooting up a theater full of innocent folks watching a movie.

Policies like this thankfully prevent such from happening...

43 posted on 07/20/2012 9:25:37 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: drbuzzard

In disarming its customers, Cinemark assumed responsibility for their safety and protection. Cinemark is liable. Of course the argument will be that Cinemark didn’t force its patrons to go there, armed or otherwise, but people need to hold their feet to the fire. The world is too dangerous for businesses to have these backwards polices that prevent citizens from being able to defend themselves. Anti firearms laws have always been useless when it comes to stopping crime, but in a more genteel age, before the cultural revolution, businesses could get away with that kind of silliness. In this age of pop culture, violence and leftist lunacy, people need to be armed.


44 posted on 07/20/2012 9:25:37 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Jedidah

Tell you what ... you stay unarmed and be a target. I’ll stay armed and not be. That’s my common sense.


45 posted on 07/20/2012 9:26:29 AM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June28 2012)
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To: basil
"I never though of screwing as a spectator sport."

???

46 posted on 07/20/2012 9:27:22 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: clamper1797

It’s way too early to guess what this creep would have done.

However, you don’t get a much “softer” target than a dark theatre full of people engrossed in a movie, especially when you first choke them with gas and are yourself dressed in black with body armor on.

Firing randomly, as he did, is easy. First finding your weapon, then finding the dark perp and aiming in the chaos is a tall order and one that would have put more people in danger in the crossfire..

Best thing to do in this situation was to hit the floor between the seats and call 911.


47 posted on 07/20/2012 9:29:43 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Carbonsteel

Sorry—that was a reference to all the movies that show couples getting it on........


48 posted on 07/20/2012 9:29:54 AM PDT by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: clamper1797; reasonisfaith

True and i’m not at all trying to make a case against the right to carry guns. Just that it wouldn’t be an easy situation in a presumably dark theater, gun or no gun, to defend yourself or to stop the killer from killing others. Now if it had taken place in the brightly lit lobby of the movie theater, that would be different. Anyway, my only intention to speculate what would have happened if someone in the theater was actually carrying a gun last night. In my opinion, in this specific case, it probably wouldn’t have helped unless Jack Bauer was there.


49 posted on 07/20/2012 9:30:19 AM PDT by Humbug
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To: Jedidah

Ok, I suppose you can assume CCW holders are scatterbrained morons willing to take a shot even if they don’t really have a target. However I know what I would do, and how much I practice. If I don’t have a target, I don’t shoot.

My main concern really in thinking about the situation would be that I did take a shot, and wasted it on the body armor because I didn’t know it was there and then he’d unload on me. Then it would come down to me being a fool bringing a pistol to a rifle fight.

Now I do fully admit the dirtbag was a crafty one, but at least a CCW present might have improved the situation. Not like it could have been a whole lot worse.


50 posted on 07/20/2012 9:30:26 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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