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Aurora Shooter exhibits classic schizophrenia pattern
Vanity | July 20, 2012 | Prospero

Posted on 07/20/2012 3:43:35 PM PDT by Prospero

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National Institute of Mental Health - Schizophrenia
1 posted on 07/20/2012 3:43:40 PM PDT by Prospero
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To: Prospero

Who cares about the perp being a schizo?

Colorado has the death penalty, kill him.


2 posted on 07/20/2012 3:47:04 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: mkjessup

Yeah its called Occupy Syndrome. BlackBloc specifically.


3 posted on 07/20/2012 3:49:29 PM PDT by gwgn02
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To: Prospero

Wasn’t crazy enough to get himself killed.


4 posted on 07/20/2012 3:49:48 PM PDT by kenavi (Obama doesn't hate private equity. He wants to be it with our money.)
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To: Prospero
I don't care if he is a schizophrenic. Let the state put a final needle in his arm.
5 posted on 07/20/2012 3:50:17 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Prospero

So, shoot him twice, one for each personality.


6 posted on 07/20/2012 3:50:34 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Prospero

Of course he does! Why, as he was attending OWS rally’s in his Blac Bloc outfit, he assumed that he was at a Tea Party function. Easy mistake.


7 posted on 07/20/2012 3:52:49 PM PDT by Edgar3 (Don't THREAD on me!)
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To: Prospero

Amen! Crazy / smazy, who cares? Kill him!


8 posted on 07/20/2012 3:53:10 PM PDT by Repulican Donkey
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To: dfwgator
So, shoot him twice, one for each personality.

You always come through, dfwgator. Well said as usual.


9 posted on 07/20/2012 3:54:19 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: dfwgator

Man, you’re too much sometimes. LOL


10 posted on 07/20/2012 3:55:59 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Prospero
So, he's schizoid.

You're telling us it's not his fault?

Then, who's fault is it?

Oh, I know!

IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!!

(Yes, someone actually said that already...)

11 posted on 07/20/2012 3:56:48 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: Prospero
That as many or more people will die in "random" shootings on the streets of major U.S. cities, Chicago in particular, on an average weekend, this July, still escapes the notice of our entertainment news-readers and other media.

What bothers me immensely is not the reaction to the psychopaths who suddenly start firing on random citizens, it's the lack of outrage at the murderous gangs who torture their victims to death,sometimes in front of other victims. Some of the stories are too horrific to repeat.

12 posted on 07/20/2012 3:57:38 PM PDT by LoveUSA (God employs Man's strength; Satan exploits Man's weakness.)
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To: Prospero

Im going to take a wild guess and say that he was probably a habitual marijuana user. Habitual use can increase the Chan es of schizzo by 300%.


13 posted on 07/20/2012 3:58:48 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Prospero

"You get over to the Justice Department and tell Holder
to make sure the FBI keeps that shooter from talking.
Supposedly the guy can't remember anything at all but
we are too close to the election to take any chances."


14 posted on 07/20/2012 3:59:31 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: dfwgator

There is snappy repartee and then sometimes somebody exceeds even that. Your comment does exactly that. Hat tip.


15 posted on 07/20/2012 4:00:49 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: dfwgator
So, shoot him twice, one for each personality.

This is why you are among the most revered and respected FReepers. In my book, anyway.
16 posted on 07/20/2012 4:02:34 PM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: Repulican Donkey

Perhaps the worse punishment is to heal him, if possible, and then have to live year after year with the realization of what he did.

Schizophrenia is a horrible sickness. I know it well.


17 posted on 07/20/2012 4:03:24 PM PDT by Humbug
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To: Jonty30

18 posted on 07/20/2012 4:05:23 PM PDT by EEGator
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Holmes neighbor knows the shooter and said he just saw him and had a drink with him the other day. He thought he was still in school and was just another typical student. He never mentioned him being schizo


19 posted on 07/20/2012 4:05:51 PM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: Prospero

Thanks for telling the truth, although you will get flamed for it.

We’re already hearing cries about tighter gun laws. The common thread running through last night’s massacre, Arizona, Columbine, and many other such incidents are the deranged minds of the shooters. Yet mental health assessment and intervention is so very hard to get in this country.

We don’t understand it, we don’t want to talk about it, and some people don’t even acknowledge that mental illness exists.

They are those who have never encountered it.

For those of us who have, we know that getting help for someone who adamantly refuses to acknowledge a problem is nigh impossible. Keeping a schizophrenic or violent bipolar patient on meds is also very hard, because they feel better and stronger and on top of their world unmedicated.

Treatment facilities can keep them only until they’re medicated enough to no longer be considered a threat. Then they’re released, go off the meds, and it starts all over again.

Flame away. I just told a truth that needs to be a national discussion. These kinds of tragedies can be avoided, if this guy was, indeed, mentally ill.

Maybe he isn’t ill, just evil. Remains to be seen. However, if he was, betcha his family knew it and were powerless to intervene.


20 posted on 07/20/2012 4:07:56 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah

Why would you get flamed for your post?


21 posted on 07/20/2012 4:09:52 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Jedidah
For those of us who have, we know that getting help for someone who adamantly refuses to acknowledge a problem is nigh impossible. Keeping a schizophrenic or violent bipolar patient on meds is also very hard, because they feel better and stronger and on top of their world unmedicated.

My daughter is schitzophrenic. Getting help is difficult and very expensive - and that's if you're willing and able to pay for it. Keeping them medicated when they don't want to be is impossible - and the medication isn't a cure. It just makes the voices a lot quieter - the patient is still mentally ill, although perhaps functional.

22 posted on 07/20/2012 4:12:39 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: EEGator

Because there are those here who deny the existence of mental illness. It’s already happened today, will again. Read some of the snarky comments on this thread.

It’s a difficult problem. The mentally ill used to get locked up in attics. Now we turn them loose on the streets. Surely there’s a middle ground.


23 posted on 07/20/2012 4:14:02 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: SCalGal

Hugs to you. We dealt with two seriously mentally ill family members for years. Fortunately neither killed anyone, but the emotional toll on the families was extensive.

We need better mental health intervention and care much more than we need all the frippery fluff the government now pays for.


24 posted on 07/20/2012 4:17:55 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Prospero

While the cry for gun control over this is deplorable (to to mention 180 degree illogical), and while you are correct about adult-onset schizophrenia, its delusional states and associations with situational aggression, what happened in Aurora simply does not fit those patterns.

Holmes (the shooter), while being currently described as a loner and untrained, exhibited nothing BUT training and support. He had access to a variety of weapons and explosives, he knew how to wire them into booby traps, he created a dual-site scenario, he made use of toxic gas and patterned his behavior after the psychopathy portrayed by Hollywood in Dark Knight Rises.

This is NOT a level of organization someone suffering from schizophrenia is even remotely capable of carrying out. In addition, it strongly suggests both training and supply help.

Oh, and the fact that Obama intends to sign a treaty that attempts to erase ALL private gun ownership in the country next week, AND that this wipes the Huma Abedin/Hillary Clinton investigation AND the Roberts Obamacare decision off the front page, AND directly mimics the basic Fast and Furious Democrat plan to unleash small arms mass murder and then call for gun control, is ENTIRELY coincidental.


25 posted on 07/20/2012 4:18:41 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Prospero
National Institute of Mental Health - Schizophrenia

Perhaps pharmaceutically induced.

SSRIs


26 posted on 07/20/2012 4:18:48 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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Are schizophrenics organized (as in organized vs disorganized crimes)? I don’t think either of the two schizophrenics I’ve had contact with would have been capable of pulling this off. But maybe some would????


27 posted on 07/20/2012 4:19:32 PM PDT by Kipp
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To: Jedidah

Okay. I would say there are definitely mentally ill people. I see them in downtown Gainesville often.


28 posted on 07/20/2012 4:19:32 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Old Sarge
Nope. I am certainly not saying the perp wasn't at fault.

No, not at all.

My overall point is simply that his pattern of behavior fits that of a schizophrenic. If Colorado lacks an appropriate punishment then dispatching the perpetrator to God for judgement might actually be very appropriate.

My larger point was that the ridiculous hysteria on display by our entertainment-media complex, and the shameless opportunism being carried out by low-life pundits (particularly the psychopath presently living in the White House) and gun-control nuts like Mayor Bloomberg and Governor Rendell is not merely "out of proportion" to the situation when compared to the slow-motion, apparently less entertaining, massacres happening in cities like Chicago, is hateful and criminal.

29 posted on 07/20/2012 4:21:28 PM PDT by Prospero
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To: Jedidah
We need better mental health intervention and care much more than we need all the frippery fluff the government now pays for.

I'm thinking that locking them in the attic ain't so bad... But, yes, I'd sure rather pay for that than for all CA's illegals.

30 posted on 07/20/2012 4:21:30 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: mkjessup

I don’t think the author cares about an insanity defense. He cares about spurious accusations of “tea party” responsibility and the Democrats’ need to exploit every random disaster as political.


31 posted on 07/20/2012 4:22:04 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: SCalGal

I’m so very sorry.

I have known a sociopath and have the scars to prove it. It’s a compelling whirlpool.


32 posted on 07/20/2012 4:22:34 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Jonty30

and I’m going to take a guess and say that as a brainy nerd who got two degrees in neuroscience while battling the demons that onset this disease, he was using something more stimulative than the depressive pot, something that made him feel even more omnipotent to answer the orders given by the voices in his head

pills or some cocktail of drugs he concocted from his laboratory access, my guess


33 posted on 07/20/2012 4:23:21 PM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: Prospero

My GAYDAR is going BANANAS!!!!


34 posted on 07/20/2012 4:23:49 PM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Prospero

This might be schizophrenia, although it’s extremely rare for schizophrenics to murder, even more rare for them to mass murder. The fact that his behavior included methodical and logical steps counts against the schizophrenia idea.

Seems more likely this slaughter is the offspring of OWS.


35 posted on 07/20/2012 4:26:14 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: combat_boots
I have known a sociopath and have the scars to prove it. It’s a compelling whirlpool.

Whirlpool is a good way to describe it - you can watch them circling the drain while they're fighting to get away from any help.

36 posted on 07/20/2012 4:26:52 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: EEGator

Hey now, he has people skills.


37 posted on 07/20/2012 4:27:56 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Talisker
... ENTIRELY coincidental.

Yep - the timing is impeccable...

38 posted on 07/20/2012 4:28:09 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: reasonisfaith
Seems more likely this slaughter is the offspring of OWS.

Whatever the cause, it's premeditated murder.

39 posted on 07/20/2012 4:29:10 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: Prospero

I hope someone finds out all the TRUTH they can about this nut job before Obama’s guestapo move in, cover up, and frame this thing for anything but what it actually is...


40 posted on 07/20/2012 4:29:25 PM PDT by Mister Anderson (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the Idiots)
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To: Old Sarge

If only this young man had obamacare his mental illness would have been treated

The GOP obstructionist congress is to blame

and George Bush

and Rush Limbaugh

and maybe Sarah Palin, too


41 posted on 07/20/2012 4:30:11 PM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: gwgn02

Any evidence that this guy’s an OWS type? Not every nutcase is political. Some nutcases are just nutcases.


42 posted on 07/20/2012 4:32:05 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Jedidah
Because there are those here who deny the existence of mental illness. It’s already happened today, will again. Read some of the snarky comments on this thread.

I don't know of many people, if any, who deny the reality of mental illness.

The controversy is with how the justice system treats criminals who plead insanity, mental defect, etc.

Murderers like this one evade justice too often with a finding of "innocent due to insanity", or a similar worded finding.

The finding should be "guilty due to insanity" and the normal sentence for the crime carried out.


43 posted on 07/20/2012 4:32:18 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Prospero
The problem with the mental illness angle is that it seems to be the excuse for everything. True, there is such a thing as mental illness, but it gets thrown around a lot in murder cases. A good lawyer can say his client is mentally ill, the judge or jury is bamboozled, and we the taxpayers get to feed, clothe and house the SOB for the rest of his life.

Many years ago, a dear friend was murdered by a student in her English as a Second Language class. Thanks to that mental illness defense, the guy is now in a prison mental health unit. But he's laughing his butt off. He bragged to a relative that he has it made...doesn't have to do anything for himself, just watches tv all day, while the taxpayers support him. Someday I hope that another inmate will someday rid us of this worthless POS.

44 posted on 07/20/2012 4:34:05 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Prospero
The problem with the mental illness angle is that it seems to be the excuse for everything. True, there is such a thing as mental illness, but it gets thrown around a lot in murder cases. A good lawyer can say his client is mentally ill, the judge or jury is bamboozled, and we the taxpayers get to feed, clothe and house the SOB for the rest of his life.

Many years ago, a dear friend was murdered by a student in her English as a Second Language class. Thanks to that mental illness defense, the guy is now in a prison mental health unit. But he's laughing his butt off. He bragged to a relative that he has it made...doesn't have to do anything for himself, just watches tv all day, while the taxpayers support him. Someday I hope that another inmate will someday rid us of this worthless POS.

45 posted on 07/20/2012 4:34:24 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Jedidah

Amen

You have been through this

Once your kid is 18 you can’t even see his medical records or talk to his doctors without his permission, heck you can’t even see his school attendance and grades

You know he is aticking human time bomb and there is nothing anyone can say or do unless he goes off

God Bless


46 posted on 07/20/2012 4:34:24 PM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: Iron Munro
The finding should be "guilty due to insanity" and the normal sentence for the crime carried out.

I agree.

47 posted on 07/20/2012 4:34:39 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Always wise to apply Occam’s Razor.


48 posted on 07/20/2012 4:34:57 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: dfwgator

Damn....wish I’d thought of that!..............


49 posted on 07/20/2012 4:36:04 PM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Prospero

I have to admit that when I saw the first picture of the guy today released by the press that my first thought was, “this guy looks like someone you would have seen at one of the occupy protests.”

Told my wife the same as she showed me the pic on her cell phpne as we were driving to Monticello today.

I wonder if he actually attended any?

If he did, you will never here it from the MSM. Blogosphere, talk radio, or Fox would have to dig it up.


50 posted on 07/20/2012 4:36:17 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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