Posted on 07/21/2012 6:17:56 AM PDT by markomalley
All true, But he could have been knocked over by the people on the ground that he stood over.
I’ve wanted to put captions on pics for a decade. Now, I am unleashed.
About 20 years ago a ticked off loon set fire to an after-hours disco/bar in NYC, and killed a bunch more than any shooter. Just used a can of gasoline at the door.
“This is the anarchist mentality -— they are not crazy, emotional loons, but meticulous planners and prepared for many eventualities.”
Now, if, on the other hand, a theater full of conceal/carry folks were at the movie that night...
Plan away now, Mr. Anarchist, and please include in your list of eventualities that EVENTUALLY, you are going to be struck by a slug...maybe it will be a .38...perhaps a .357 Sig...what about a .40...say those .45’s are looking pretty interesting...
When something like this happens why is it that all we do is blame guns as the cause? In any situation there could be multiple things working together in a disaster. In this case not only was a gun involved, costumes were involved, a violent movie, a late night hour, probabley drugs, alcohol and insanity (not only in the shooter). Why not just blame movies as a cause? Then the families of the victims could sue deep pockets such as the film company and movie theater. The actors and technicians who worked on the film also share blame. We don’t need gun control we need movie control. I wish someone would explain this to me as obviously I am missing something.
The bodies are not even cold and the usual suspects are calling for gun-control. It is so completely predictable just as night follows day.
“McCarthy and Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) have worked closely together on a bill that would tighten restrictions on gun shows, where firearms can be easily bought by people with criminal records in some states.
Lautenberg, who introduced a measure banning high-capacity ammunition magazines following the Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) shooting, also called for legislative action on the issue. “
As we heard, last evening, this deranged sociopath (the shooter, not Lautenberg) did NOT acquire his weapons at gun shows via illicit sales. He purchased them legally, at established retail outlets in Colorado.
And ‘high capacity’ magazines just mean more mag changes. In an enclosed setting, in a commercial venue that prohibits firearms on its premises, what was to stop this vicious attack?
And, now instead of addressing the issue, the natural tendency of the progressives is to add more and more restrictions, more and more regulation.
Sorry, I ain’t buyin’ it. An armed society is a polite society, after all. And, one or two armed CCL holders in the audience may have been able to shut this guy down before he shot 50+ people...
Notwithstanding all the body armor and such, the coward surrendered promptly when other men with guns arrived.
Guns were already completely, totally, 100% banned to citizens within the theater. Why isn’t this good enough?
10-4. Correct. I DO NOT go to places like this that I cannot carry or my wife cannot slip her’s into her purse. If I cannot protect myself or my wife, then we do not go there. I simply refuse to put myself into a situation that I cannot defend myself. If we go to the stinking malls, we go armed. That simple. Malls are always targets for these types and I may very well be the first one he shoots, but if not, then I do not aim to be the 2d one if I can get my weapon out in time. I will shoot back.
When something like this happens why is it that all we do is blame guns as the cause? In any situation there could be multiple things working together in a disaster. In this case not only was a gun involved, costumes were involved, a violent movie, a late night hour, probabley drugs, alcohol and insanity (not only in the shooter). Why not just blame movies as a cause? Then the families of the victims could sue deep pockets such as the film company and movie theater. The actors and technicians who worked on the film also share blame. We don’t need gun control we need movie control. I wish someone would explain this to me as obviously I am missing something.
Childish nonsense.
It was reported that James Holmes took a large dose of Vicodin as well. That meant, he could take bullet hits and keep fighting.
Pistol cartridges against body armor is useless. Add a crowded theater with panic and tear gas and you don't have much of a chance against this guy.
Once again, for those claiming a single person with a pistol could have stopped this, they are not thinking with their brain, just their emotions.
He was finished shooting and the vicodin effect was turning into drowsiness.
Manufactured anarchy is more than likely what has transpired, too coincidental with the current UN gun grabbing policy.
Too convenient to political events.
Though a remote possibility I am not throwing out ANY connection, that some person in a very high office doesn’t want any more personal attention upon him.
This shooter may be just what he is, a total loon, but I feel a much darker more organized agenda behind him, funding that came to him, strategy given to him, the way to monopolize the media blood frenzy by his peculiar actions, his surrender, his booby traps.
I am about to swear this is a staged planned anarchy attempt to sway opinions for gun control, similar to Australia years ago.
And they passed gun control in Australia.
He was finished shooting and the vicodin effect was turning into drowsiness.
I don’t bother with public events I can observe at home.
Movies, NFL football, most college games, NASCAR racing etc.
Why waste the money and suffer the hassle and terrorist risk when the money can be better spent on something I can’t get for free?
31,000 people die in this country each year from gunshots while 1.2 million babies are sucked from their mother’s wombs; proving that Planned Parenthood is 38 times more dangerous than the National Rifle Association.
You are correct. There is no law that could be passed that would have prevented this type of attack.
Childish of you to not read my post more carefully. The suggestion in my original post centered around the idea behind Conceal/Carry, and the likelihood in such cases that multiple gun-toting, law-abiding citizens might be present at any given time. This would have to enter into the thinking of any serious planner of anarchy, no? That there may be present in a crowd of folks, at any given time, multiple trained/armed people ready (willing? able?) to defend their ground, may cause him to strap on an extra layer of kevlar, but he’s also not quite fully clear in thinking, “I’ve got this!”
Given that said person continues with his plan of mayhem and, in fact, runs into multiple gun-wielders, there is a far greater chance that the perpetrator would be struck by some sort of round (imagine 10 people with guns, each carry clips containing 12 rounds—that’s 120 rounds of ammo coming his way.
I realize armor-piercing rounds are generally not c/c folks’ round of choice, but 9mms, .40’s, .45’s are. If the the assailant is standing up at the front of the theater to begin his rampage, there would be quite a hail of “caliber salad” being tossed his way. As others have commented, being struck in a kevlar vest by a single round would have the potential of stunning. What about being struck by 20 rounds, hmmmmmmmmm? What about 5 rounds hitting chest, 3 hitting helmet? Is he falling to the ground yet? (Don’t forget, c/c’ers can be carrying multiple clips—how long can they keep this guy on the defensive?) Dreaming? Perhaps. But if there WERE 10 c/c’ers in the movie theater the other night, might we have read of such a scenario, given they may have been thinking, “It’s him or me.” In other words, would they have left their side-arm holstered thinking to themselves, “What good is my gun against all that?)
The larger point is this: we need to defend ourselves (until the police arrive!) That is our duty. If I’m out with my family and something like this happened and I was unable to protect my family, I wouldn’t know how to live with the aftermath (would you?) I can’t begin my defense with, “What’s the likelihood of me and my little old Sig 2022, .40 cal. stopping someone ready for Operation Desert Storm?” I’ll be cowed into doing nothing. All I can do is work with what I’ve got. Can we agree that multiple folks thinking like that, and you now have a more level playing field?
Perhaps, there are a lot of folks this morning wishing they had something to throw back at Mr. Holmes.
If just one patron had a conceal carry gun.
Indeed
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