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It Was Shockingly Easy For The Batman Shooter To Buy A Massive Arsenal
Business Insider ^ | 07/21/2012 | Caroline Hedley, The Daily Telegraph

Posted on 07/21/2012 12:31:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Denver shooting suspect James Holmes purchased some 6,000 rounds of ammunition over the internet before carrying out hismassacre at a midnight screening of Batman.

The ammunition was part of a massive arsenal he gathered in the run-up to the killings, which also included four guns legally purchased at local gun shops.

His weapons were two Glock pistols, a 12-guage shotgun, and a high-powered AR-15 assault rifle fitted with a drum magazine allowing a fire rate of 50 to 60 rounds per minute.

Dan Oates, the chief of police in Aurora, Colorado, where Holmes killed 12 people and injured 58 others, said: ’He purchased four guns at local gun shops and through the internet he purchased over 6,000 rounds of ammunition, more than 3,000 rounds of 0.223 ammunition for the assault rifle, 3,000 rounds of 0.40 caliber ammunition for the two Glocks in his possession, and 300 rounds for the 12 gauge shotgun.

“Also through the internet he purchased multiple magazines for the 0.223 caliber assault rifle including one 100-round drum magazine which was recovered from the scene.

“Even if it was semi-automatic I’m told by experts that with that drum magazine he could have got off 50 to 60 rounds within a minute. As far as we know it was a pretty rapid pace of fire in the theatre.

“My understanding is that all the weapons he possessed, he possessed legally and all the clips that he possessed, he possessed legally and all the ammunition he possessed, he possessed legally.”

Holmes is also believed to have joined a casual sex website where he apparently hinted at his plans for his killing spree, asking potential suitors: “Will you visit me in prison?”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; batman; colorado; guncontrol; shooting
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1 posted on 07/21/2012 12:31:33 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Who’d a thought that being a student would pay so well? That’s some expensive artillery.


2 posted on 07/21/2012 12:33:23 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just needed some Second Amendment folks in the theater, imho.


3 posted on 07/21/2012 12:36:58 PM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: SeekAndFind

Where is the “massive arsenal”? That sounds like what is normally in my trunk on any given day.


4 posted on 07/21/2012 12:37:37 PM PDT by Republican Extremist
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not accepting this story at face value. There are too many oddities.


5 posted on 07/21/2012 12:38:36 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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To: SeekAndFind

“You have the right person.” - Mom Holmes


6 posted on 07/21/2012 12:40:18 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Who is Barack Hussein Obama?)
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To: SeekAndFind

>>through the internet he purchased over 6,000 rounds of ammunition,

So what? If I hadn’t lost all my guns, magazines, and ammo in a boating accident two years ago, I’d have more ammo than that.


7 posted on 07/21/2012 12:41:42 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: SeekAndFind

hehe

My FIL misplaces that many of his guns and ammo EVERY MONTH!


8 posted on 07/21/2012 12:41:49 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SeekAndFind

They forgot the bic pen converted to a spitball gun.


9 posted on 07/21/2012 12:42:08 PM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: Hodar
Who’d a thought that being a student would pay so well? That’s some expensive artillery.

Yah beat me to it. Great minds and all that rot. lol

Was thinking the same thing. How does a student manage to come up with the loot to buy all that hardware and don't know what kind of car he was driving, but it was not a Klunker either?

Financial Aid and Student Loans?

Even then, when I was in college (having availed myself to both as well as working 2 jobs and that was many moons ago) I was not exactly rolling in it and lived very frugally.

10 posted on 07/21/2012 12:42:20 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: SeekAndFind

Steer Manure.

He didnt have a “massive” arsenal. He had a FEW firearms. A couple of handguns, a rifle and a shot gun. Everyone of my friends is similarly equipped, several times over.

6,000 rounds is possibly adequate for a summar of training for a father and son. Given the fluctuation in ammo pricing thanks to O, one buys when the price is right. That reminds me: i am getting low on 5.56 NATO.


11 posted on 07/21/2012 12:44:35 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Hodar
That’s some expensive artillery.

My thoughts too. He was unemployed receiving unemployment payments. How could he afford so much ammo and so many fine weapons? AR-15s ain't cheap.

12 posted on 07/21/2012 12:46:24 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: SeekAndFind

So how is Colorado supposed to “tighten” gun laws?
Refuse gun or ammo sales to 24 year old medical students with no police record? He obviously took advantage of existing laws.

So what new laws would have stymied a closet perv psycho with mass murder plans?

My question still is WEAPONS TRAINING.
He HAD to have gotten it, at some point in his life


13 posted on 07/21/2012 12:47:09 PM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: Hodar

Especially when you buy it at Gander Mtn.


14 posted on 07/21/2012 12:48:17 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Hodar

Who says he paid for it? If he ordered by credit card knowing what he was going to do, how’re the card companies going to collect?


15 posted on 07/21/2012 12:50:33 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (This tagline for rent. Contact GeorgiaDawg32 for pricing and excellent financing options.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Excellent point.


16 posted on 07/21/2012 12:52:41 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Hodar
Good point. It is becoming obvious that this guy is no ordinary mentally deranged individual, but part of an orchestrated event. Everything points to this all being deliberately done to point to this event as a reason for confiscation. And, the media is going to allow it to happen because they won't do their jobs.

Someone has already pointed out that his meek surrender seems very odd after shooting 71 people. A lot of valid questions are going unanswered and something is VERY strange about all of this.

17 posted on 07/21/2012 12:53:03 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Massive arsenal??????????????4 weapons???????????????


18 posted on 07/21/2012 12:53:23 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: Hodar

You know that’s what I would like to know, if this kid was out of work or was working part time at McDonald’s where did he get the money? That just doesn’t seem right, at all.


19 posted on 07/21/2012 12:54:06 PM PDT by Mr. C (Take Back America!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Anyone hear about the Ft. Hood shooter lately? Murdered people several years ago in an action of domestic Islamic terrorism, killed a baby, and his name stays largely out of the news while his lawyer keeps playing the “postpone” game.


20 posted on 07/21/2012 12:54:58 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: silverleaf
My question still is WEAPONS TRAINING.

He HAD to have gotten it, at some point in his life

Another very good point. Where did he learn to shoot and reload? This whole thing points to a well-put-together operation. This guy is an operative. Where did he get the money to buy all of that ordnance with no real job? Hmmmmm???

21 posted on 07/21/2012 12:56:55 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Hodar; mylife; Grampa Dave; ASA Vet; U S Army EOD
Indeed....this suggests outside funding. We don't know yet the inventory of threats inside his apartment but whatever is discovered adds to the cost of his ongoing spree.

My.....what's the cost of a couple Glocks and an M-16 (heard various descriptions of this weapon) all the ammo and all the gear he purchased? Doubt that he got the bucks from dear old mom and dad for college. And all in 60 days??
22 posted on 07/21/2012 12:57:00 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (One out of three ain't good enough, Make November work.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No. It was shockingly easy to follow a script that had been done before, in other countries, in print, and, on screen.

That it is shockingly easy for Americans to run and NOT RUSH the shooter is discouraging. Then again, these people were sitting ducks...and unarmed to a man.


23 posted on 07/21/2012 1:00:52 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Bryanw92

Too many of us, Freepers, need to take some Coast Guard boating classes!


24 posted on 07/21/2012 1:00:59 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
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To: bboop

You know, living in CO with a CCW I’ve thought about what would have happened had I been there.

I’m pretty sure the honest answer is either died or ran. If I had a shot and took it, it wouldn’t have worked. He was in all over body armor with a ballistic helmet. He wore a gas mask and was tossing out tear gas grenades. Honestly someone with even a top end CCW pistol would have had a very very slim chance at best. You don’t bring a pistol to a rifle fight, and you sure as hell don’t when the target is pistol proof.

This dirtbag really was just too well prepared.

But as to the original article- who cares if he had 6k rounds of ammo? I doubt he fired off more than 100 all told. The other 5900 are a moot point.

Purchasing 6k rounds is pretty moot for any given tactical situation unless you happen to be toting a minigun.


25 posted on 07/21/2012 1:04:02 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Bryanw92

Happened to you too, huh?


26 posted on 07/21/2012 1:06:01 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (This tagline for rent. Contact GeorgiaDawg32 for pricing and excellent financing options.)
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To: BIGLOOK

Two glocks and an AR15 is going to be around $2K


27 posted on 07/21/2012 1:06:06 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Not just to shoot and reload - but to do it in full body armor, in the dark, in a closed area saturated with tear gas, while masked!

Ask anyone with military training if this is an operation a first time gun shooter just up and does, managing to shoot 71 targets in the dark, with no training or range practice, with no dry run, based on reading directions from the manual or paying a video game


28 posted on 07/21/2012 1:06:44 PM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: SeekAndFind

29 posted on 07/21/2012 1:06:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: a fool in paradise

“Anyone hear about the Ft. Hood shooter lately? Murdered people several years ago in an action of domestic Islamic terrorism”

No, because as Mark Steyn pointed out, Allahu Akbar is Arabic for, “Move along, nothing to see here.”


30 posted on 07/21/2012 1:07:13 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

See #15


31 posted on 07/21/2012 1:08:23 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (This tagline for rent. Contact GeorgiaDawg32 for pricing and excellent financing options.)
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To: BIGLOOK

3K rounds of .223 will be about $1.5K
3K of 40SW will be another $1K


32 posted on 07/21/2012 1:09:53 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SeekAndFind

4 guns is a massive arsenal?


33 posted on 07/21/2012 1:09:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m assuming this writer is a Limey Tw@t. They (Limies) have no appreciation for the concept of 2nd Amendment rights.

OTOH, they’re probably still smarting from what a bunch of armed Scots-Irish did to them a couple on centuries ago.


34 posted on 07/21/2012 1:11:16 PM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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To: BIGLOOK

Glocks will run you maybe $600 each or so (might be less, I don’t price Glocks since I don’t like them) for the .40S&W pistols. A 12 gauge should be another $500 or so. The AR price could be all over the place. Last gun show I saw some as low as $800 (a bit under). Those large magazines run you around $100. 6K of ammo is going to be fairly expensive (I can get reloads for around $1800 for that many).

Let’s claim a ballpark of less than $5k.


35 posted on 07/21/2012 1:12:19 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: nonsporting
6,000 rounds is possibly adequate for a summar of training for a father and son. Given the fluctuation in ammo pricing thanks to O, one buys when the price is right. That reminds me: i am getting low on 5.56 NATO.

If one goes to the range once a week, and expends 100 rounds of ammo at each visit, then 6,000 rounds is a year's supply. There's lots of gun owners who have more.

36 posted on 07/21/2012 1:13:10 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Hodar

The punk could have charged it all with no intention of ever paying the bill.


37 posted on 07/21/2012 1:13:21 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SeekAndFind

If this guy had been a Mexican drug lord, our government would have GIVEN him the guns.

Then he could have shot 100 Mexicans (and a border agent) and the media would not just be silent, but cover it up.

Thus is life in Obamaland. We fear citizens and count terrorists as friends. :)


38 posted on 07/21/2012 1:16:41 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: cripplecreek
4 guns is a massive arsenal?

At some point they may start to describe his residence as a "compound".

39 posted on 07/21/2012 1:18:32 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Tried looking up the price of ammo to get an idea of what he spent. I got the following message:

Oops! Internet Explorer could not connect to www.bulkammo.com Try reloading: www.­bulkammo.­com/­rifle/­bulk-­.­223-­ammo

40 posted on 07/21/2012 1:20:20 PM PDT by Starstruck
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To: Bryanw92

We Freepers seem to have terrible problems with tragic boating accidents that cause us to lose thousands of dollars worth of arms and ammo. My condolences to you..


41 posted on 07/21/2012 1:22:17 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: bboop

Exactly right! But, brace yourself for an all-out assault on the 2nd Amendment now to include the one and only Mitt Romney aided by John McCain and other, oh, so reasonable GOP’ers.


42 posted on 07/21/2012 1:22:35 PM PDT by izzatzo (Just beat Obama.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
At some point they may start to describe his residence as a "compound".

A one bath studio compound.
43 posted on 07/21/2012 1:25:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: mylife; drbuzzard
Thanks but $5k isn't chump change....and if you add to that gas grenades and tactical gear, paraphernalia and whatever else the LEOs find in his apartment, his credit card bill will be enormous after 60 days. Of course he could have made one minimum payment just to stay in good standing and shined the other one on. I'm sure somebody is following the money too.
44 posted on 07/21/2012 1:26:08 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Hold.....hold......hold.......)
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To: SeekAndFind
The lefties have pic of the shooter and his arsenal. Photobucket
45 posted on 07/21/2012 1:30:56 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Don't ever think that the reason I am peaceful is because I forgot how to be violent)
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To: SeekAndFind

It was shockingly easy to legally buy not one, or two, but three cans of green beans last week!


46 posted on 07/21/2012 1:32:47 PM PDT by bgill
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To: SeekAndFind

4 firearms with ammo for each is not a “massive arsenal”.

Also they don’t note there’s no way in hell he’d be able to lug 6000 rounds around, much less fire them all. Nutball gave himself up with 5900 rounds left in his apartment.

Again all this example illustrates is INTENT IS EVERYTHING.

There are people who deliberately run people down in their cars and they have a legal driver’s license and legal plates. They may own multiple cars. Do we ban everyone else from driving or owning cars because of these idiots? Cars are efficient killing machines and you may not get caught, and if you do the sentences are less severe than if you used a gun.


47 posted on 07/21/2012 1:38:13 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It was shockingly easy to attack a theater full of dis-armed Americans.


48 posted on 07/21/2012 1:38:13 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Exactly


49 posted on 07/21/2012 1:42:34 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's so shockingly easy that hundreds of thousands of AR-15s have been sold in the last decade, and yet we've had this one mass shooting.

And of course the DC Muslim killers.

50 posted on 07/21/2012 1:43:07 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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