Skip to comments.Gun laws do little in case of theater killings(WI)
Posted on 07/26/2012 8:48:13 AM PDT by marktwain
In the aftermath of the Colorado movie theater shootings, I'm not going to argue about concealed carry gun laws anymore.
We've been through all that here in Wisconsin.
Like many workplaces, the building where I work in this concealed carry state has a sign on the entrance informing folks that no weapons are allowed inside. Some gun advocates think that's part of the problem.
After all, folks like the orange-haired suspect in Aurora can read, too.
Concealed carry became a buzz phrase on my social message sites after some learned Colorado actually does have a concealed carry law that allows residents to exercise their Second Amendment right in a limited manner.
It's so limited the entire town of Aurora - along with other Colorado towns and cities with "gun-free zones" - doesn't permit anyone to carry a concealed weapon legally even though it's the law in other parts of the state.
That means the answer to one of the most asked questions after the Aurora shootings became a moot point: "Why didn't someone with a concealed weapon just take the guy out?"
The answer: They would have been breaking the law. (OK, I'll admit that does sound a bit wrongheaded.)
Proponents of concealed carry laws always use the example of random encounters with nefarious criminals as their main justification for why the public should be allowed to pack heat.
Given the bedlam in the Aurora theater - a tear gas cloud and a masked gunman with multiple weapons spraying bullets - it seems highly unlikely a regular citizen could have disrupted the killer's plot. My guess is the only ones who believe they actually could have stopped the guy are probably influenced by too much television or Hollywood.
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As far as I can see, the only solution for acts such as these, is concealed carry without a permit. No one can stop a determined person from obtaining a weapon. In Virginia, I can sell to anyone I want, without anyone having to know about it. If people did not know whether lots of people would shoot back or not, these incidents would become rare.
Virginia is an open-carry state, but lots of folks do not want to walk around with their weapons visible for any number of reasons. In that same vein, lots of folk don’t want to get into the data base that is concealed-carry permits or don’t want to go through the trouble of getting a permit.
If this is “growth”, I’d hate to see abject ignorance. Kane is wrong on the Aurora city ordinances. They have no authority or standing because the state has fully occupied that area of the law except for “Home Rule” cities, of which there is one, Denver. Denver has the authority to write some laws that are different than the state law but Aurora’s ordinances are just print on paper without power.
This is a losing issue for Obumer. Americans are not for more gun control not that this has stopped Zero from doing everything he does like passing an unpopular taxcare and pushing the gay marriage agenda.
What people think when they see a “No Firearms” sign:
Average uninformed citizen: I’m safe!
Crazed killer/violent criminal: I’m VERY safe!
Quite guessing numb nut. Any human being has the right to at the very least go down fighting.
If ten to twenty of those patrons had been armed, some people would still have died. One of them would have been the perp.
That's enough for me to trust in my fellow man. Concealed carry will work if the pussies would just get out of the fricken way.
Had I been there, I certainly would have liked to have someone carrying in that theater, but I would really have wanted him on the other side of the theater than me and my family.
Actually stupid gun laws do plenty ... they make defenseless
targets out of law abiding citizens.
In other words, it's not even worth trying to defend yourself or your loved ones. Thanks, guy.
No. Those of us with training understand what is possible and what is not.
The shooter can only operate one gun at a time. Weapons do not "spray" bullets. Regular citizens can do remarkable things.
The muzzle flash of the AR15 in the darkened theater would reveal the bad guy's position. The good guy should shoot at this flash when the opportunity arises and move obliquely closing the distance. Other tactical opportunities may present themselves. Have a plan. When and if that plans goes to hell, create a another plan. If one gives up, he may die (or allow others to die).
I would prefer not to be anywhere near either of them.
The good guy isn’t a threat, but he would probably draw fire and I would prefer to be as far away from that as possible. Of course this is all guessing, as I wasn’t there, don’t know where I would have been sitting or where a potential good guy with a weapon would be. He wouldn’t necessarily get to me eventually, as he didn’t get to everyone during the real thing either.
The author is missing a major point. In addition to being charged with 12 counts of murder, 50 or so counts of assault with a deadly weapon and attempted murder, explosives and weapons of mass destruction offenses, these gun laws allow Colorado to also charge the killer with firearms violations. They may even get him with trespass for bringing weapons onto private property in a designated “gun free zone”. I imagine the killer is far more scared with those additional charges than he would be with just the more traditional felonies.
This is ridiculous. We need to go after the core problem...
Let’s have more laws against MURDER!
A sign on a business does not necessarily carry the force of law. In my state, guns are prohibited in certain specific places, like courthouses, schools and bars. Some businesses like shopping malls may post a sign saying "no guns allowed" but those signs are a request of the management not a law enforceable by the police. If someone was observed with a gun the management could ask them to leave, and that's about it. If they refused to leave then they would be trespassing, which is enforceable, but if they left then no law was broken.
OK, we disagree.
It would be hard to simulate. I don’t see how they could program the complete surprise and unknown persons reaction aspect of it.