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To: sergeantdave; Linda Frances; Seaplaner; Strategerist; moonshot925

If you don’t like Buchanan that’s fine, but try responding to the points he’s making here, especially as it relates to demographics.

Put aside all the stuff about Israel and Iran. How can any rational person, especially a conservative, believe that mass immigration from Latin America, Asia, and Africa will be anything except a demographic bonanza for the Democrats? These groups are voting exactly as a rational person would expect them to vote; for Democrats!

So just answer the question Buchanan poses; “Why should poor, working- and middle-class Hispanics, the vast majority, vote for a party that will reduce taxes they don’t pay, but cut the benefits they do receive?”

Buchanan is absolutely right about that, something Republicans should have realized all along.

And what about Texas? The Lone Star State is solidly Republican right now for one major reason...the GOP’s ability to routinely win 70+% of the white vote. Hispanics in Texas may be less Democratic than their counterparts in California, but they still vote solidly Democrat in virtually every important statewide race. I disagree with Buchanan’s analysis of Texas’ future somewhat because of the white vote. If the GOP can keep winning such a large majority of it, then they will avoid a California-like collapse into irrelevancy. But I can easily see demographics making Texas a battleground state, which would be disastrous enough for the GOP.

When the obituary of the GOP/conservative movement is written, and if it’s written honestly, the question won’t be why people like Buchanan were so mean and hostile (to borrow the Left’s framing and narrative of it) to immigrants, but rather why the GOP ever allowed decades of mass immigration that any rational person could see would definitely benefit the Democrats. The Stupid Party indeed.


105 posted on 07/28/2012 12:08:55 AM PDT by Aetius
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To: Aetius
How can any rational person, especially a conservative, believe that mass immigration from Latin America, Asia, and Africa will be anything except a demographic bonanza for the Democrats? These groups are voting exactly as a rational person would expect them to vote; for Democrats!

I disagree.

My great grandfather came to the USA from Germany in 1882 because he wanted opportunity.

He worked very hard and became a wealthy man.

I think most immigrants are the same no matter want color skin.

They want economic freedom and are not fond of a big greedy government dipping into their paycheck.

108 posted on 07/28/2012 12:55:41 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: Aetius
I don't disagree with his premise that borders not being protected is. and has been a problem. I just don't like the guy. Other people besides Buchanana recognized long ago that our country would have problems if we did not do something about the borders. Just because he could see what is happening does not make him someone to be admired or listened to. All conservatives I know agree that something should have been done a long time ago about immigration and the border, but even our so-called conservative leadership won't fight that battle.

I think whoever says Israel is more dangerous than Iran is blinded by hate like,

1. Jimmy Carter
2. Most of the UN
3. Islamic Terrorist
4. The entire city of Berkley 5. Ron Paul..................

Middle east terrorist have bombed more buses, restaurants, night clubs, hotels, border crossings...than I can remember. They hate the Jewish people and Christians. To make excuses for criminals, is what liberals do. Iran and other terrorist countries teach their children, train terrorist, and BELIEVE their god called them, even women and disabled children to kill. They believe we are the great satan and must be destroyed. This is written in the koran which is how old? What would Buchanan do if we were a small country, surrounded by their enemies and always under attack. Probably surrender. Making excuses for anyone who openly say they want to kill Christians and Jews and blaming a country who has been under attack since Ishmael and Isaac's time should not even be on this site. It belongs on liberal sites like DU or a Admandinejade/Farrakhan blog.

One last thought. What does Scripture say about Israel? If you don't believe in the inerrant word of God you can stop reading.

Genesis 12:2-3 says, ““I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all people on the earth will be blessed through you.”

The choice is to believe God's word, the koran or nothing. I chose God.

116 posted on 07/28/2012 8:46:00 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: Aetius

“If you don’t like Buchanan that’s fine, but try responding to the points he’s making here, especially as it relates to demographics.”

Buchanan has been writing the same book for 20 years: take the demographic stats, extropolate them out 20 years abd publish another book. All he does is shuffle the chapters, spin the content and take it to the printer. Hey, it works for him, and he’s made millions.

He’s counting on demographic stasis to prove him right. Pat can’t predict the future. He doesn’t have a clue what might happen 10 years from today.

The Buchanan crap suits the surrender monkeys, so they can cry and insist we’re doomed. Boo-hoo! Let’s all give up. Gloom and doom sells to people with minor IQs.

The leftist politicians coddling illegals from Mexico and Central America are being defeated. That’s a provable trend line. Ten years from now, America might invite in hard-core right wing patriots from South Africa, the Netherlands and France.

Pat is dying on the vine from predictablity. His sourpuss predictions are backed by old facts.


140 posted on 07/28/2012 5:05:07 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Public unions exist to protect the unions from the taxpaying public)
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