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To: Forward the Light Brigade
If they are too arrogant to not tick off their huge and vicious northern neighbor let they pay the price. A real war with China will show them what real war is like—no safety zones—no POWs—it will be a grim take-no-prisoners fight and I think the cards are stacked in favor of China.

The Chinese did invade Vietnam in 1979, only to pull back two months later after suffering heavy casualties, so that already happened, and they are unlikely to repeat the mistake. In any case, it would be a mistake to let the past dominate the present. China needs to be contained, and this consideration ought to come before trying to get some kind of self-gratifying revenge over events that happened 40 years ago.

6 posted on 07/29/2012 3:09:59 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Many cite the Chinese intent of invading Vietnam was to draw off Vietnamese from Cambodia invasion. Others cite the fact that China wanted to determine if the USSR was in fact a "Paper Polar Bear." USSR had signed a defense treaty with Vietnam, promising to come to their aid if attacked. In return USSR got access to Cam Ranh Bay (perhaps the best natural harbor in the world). They used it as a sub base.

Just prior to the attack, China sent nearly 2 million troops to their border with USSR. This pretty much proves their intentions in Vietnam. Just kicking the dog so to speak. USSR did not come to Vietnam's aid. Viets got pissed.

Vietnam kept most of their troops near Hanoi. China looted/pillaged the border areas of Vietnam as they withdrew.

It is interesting to note that China supported the Mujahideen of Afghanistan in their fight against the Soviets. Trained the Muj in China proper and armed them as well.

11 posted on 07/29/2012 6:00:08 AM PDT by donozark (A Socialist is a Communist who doesn't have the balls to pull the trigger!)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Nothing wrong with playing regional power politics with China by using Vietnam (I’m a Vietnam vet FWIW). Most of the Vietnamese who fought us are dead, except for a few Ho Chi Minh cronies (Vo Nguyen Giap is well into his nineties). They have long been succeeded by a younger generation with no memory of the 1945-75 war and who are eager to build relations with the United States, if for no other reason than to have us counterbalance the Chinese.

Anti-Americanism in Vietnam is a nearly forgotten hiccup in their three thousand year national history. But during that entire period China has been their most hated enemy, and the PRC’s current burgeoning military & economic power won’t serve to diminish that profound animus.

As noted, the Chinese attempted to invade Vietnam in 1979 and got bloodied for it. Their ability to project power in the Pacific Rim has yet to be demonstrated; they are much more successful in suppressing domestic insurgencies.

Communism in Vietnam is similar to communism in China, an excuse for the ruling elite to hold onto political power. That indicates that they will not reject Realpolitik in order to serve their national interests. Vietnam is not Cuba nor North Korea; those two are ruled by fanatical Stalinists.

There’s room for pragmatic interaction with the Vietnamese, they’re not stupid.


15 posted on 07/29/2012 6:30:26 AM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!)
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