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Green donors bet on Mitt Romney flip-flop
Pollutico ^ | 3/5/12 7:59 PM EST | DARREN SAMUELSOHN

Posted on 07/31/2012 6:36:51 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

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To: xzins
still hold out hope, though, that the Convention will dump Romney in favor of a conservative.

There's no way that will happen. The GOP-E has conservatives exactly where they want them - licking their hands like whipped puppies. There is no way on earth the GOP-E is going to withdraw its own candidate and give conservatives a hope spot.

21 posted on 07/31/2012 7:50:48 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: xzins

You are working over time for B. Hussein Obama and we both know it. You couldn’t do more for him and against conservative values then coming to the number one conservative website in the country and trying to convince us that it is ok to let Obama win a second term. I don’t have to hold my nose to vote for Romney, I will proudly vote for him for President over Obama and Connie Mack over Bill Nelson for US Senator and Will Weatherford, our next Speaker of the Fl House for my Rep. I couldn’t care less about your “principals”. This is a choice and you chose Obama and you are trying to get the feeble minded to follow your path to the demise of our great republic and that is inexcusable. You are as principled as the British General in the movie Bridge over the River Kwia who would rather see his own men died than to blow up the bridge. It’s gonna blow, with or without you. Romney 2012.


22 posted on 07/31/2012 8:00:23 AM PDT by ynotjjr (Romney/Rubio 2012 It's called the Constitution. Learn it, live it, love it!)
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To: SoConPubbie

“He’s a dyed-in-the-wool Lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal.”

Yep.

That’s why the “wait and see” policy is a good one.


23 posted on 07/31/2012 8:03:25 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

It is definitely in the realm of unrealistic wish. :>)


24 posted on 07/31/2012 8:03:54 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: cripplecreek

I don’t want respect from the likes of you, Obama and your boss Val Jarrett. You surrender monkeys who’s dream it is to hold the door of the White house open when Obama returns from his second swearing in ceremony, as you bow in reverence. You talk about being ProLife when you really want Jarret and Obama putting a couple thirty something on the Supreme Court there by locking in abortions for another 30 years. You and your little wolf pack jumping from thread to thread, day after day attacking our side has been exposed for what it is, unconditional surrender.


25 posted on 07/31/2012 8:17:55 AM PDT by ynotjjr (Romney/Rubio 2012 It's called the Constitution. Learn it, live it, love it!)
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To: ynotjjr; P-Marlowe; cripplecreek; cva66snipe; Elvina; Finny; greyfoxx39; Hilda; kabar; mkjessup; ...

This is a post that ignores facts, ynot.

Should I run down the liberal positions of Mitt Romney or are you simply unable to hear what principled conservatives are saying?

He is not a conservative.

In April he came out in favor of gay couples. He made it worse by saying at state level gays have the right to adopt children. Real conservative position, right?

In response to his gun control past in Massachusetts, JUST LAST Monday he came out in favor of gun control, saying gun control that was bi-partisan was “the kind of legislation I like.”

As recently as Dec 2007 he said his position was effectively pro-abortion.

He hires illegals, is afraid to speak against Obama’s amnesty for young illegals, and basically tests the wind depending on the crowd to which he’s speaking.

He is a “greenie” one moment, like this article suggests, and a conservative the next.

He raises “fees” in Massachusetts to the tune of nearly a billion dollars.

He refuses to recant RomneyCare, apparently endorsing a big goverment takeover of healthcare.

Your post ignores so much that it is ignorant.

It’s your kind of blindness that has gotten our conservative movement to this place in time, and you don’t even have the sense to be friends with your friends.

With you, “the enemy of your friends is your friend.”

You’re making your bed, so lie in it.


26 posted on 07/31/2012 8:20:02 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: ynotjjr
You and your little wolf pack jumping from thread to thread, day after day attacking our side has been exposed for what it is, unconditional surrender.

Then be a man and take it up with the site owner but you can just ignore me and the truth.
27 posted on 07/31/2012 8:22:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: ynotjjr
Romney/Rubio 2012 It's called the Constitution. Learn it, live it, love it!

Maybe you could teach Romney to love the Constitution, while yer at it?

28 posted on 07/31/2012 8:24:25 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: SoConPubbie
I had the sad experience the other day of talking with a fellow conservative who, after I briefly reminded her of Romney's record on global warming, state-run health care, activist judges, on-demand abortion, and the gay agenda (she was pretty horrified when she learned about the adoption agencies that closed in Mass. rather than cooperate with homosexual couples who wanted to adopt, as Romney's law now requires) has convinced herself that "Romney will surprise us." She so desperately wants to believe that "he'll come around," that she gets angry at anyone who suggests that a life-long liberal like Romney is going to remain true to form.

She also explained that she wouldn't be voting "for" Romney, she'd be voting "against" Obama. *sigh* One cannot vote "against" anything, ever, on any ballot, whether it's a candidate or a proposition; any vote is ONLY and ALWAYS for something -- even on propositions, you can only vote FOR nixing it. Voting "against" Obama is like voting "against" killing the pretty pink unicorns: 100 percent imaginary.

Meanwhile, the solid documented reality is that Romney is a liberal Democrat registered in the Republican party. Obama was "hope and change" -- Romney is "hope he'll change." The second one is as much a hoax as the first.

The last time a president won on a plurality, he was impeached. The time before when a president won on a plurality, he was dominated by the Republican Revolution -- and that president was pretty popular in general terms. Obama is loathed, he's in real trouble with his supporters, and there's virtually zero chance he could get 50% of the vote in 2012.

I cannot vote "against" Romney any more than I can vote "against" Obama. But I have a DUTY to vote. So I'll be voting conservative down-ticket, and at the top, I'll be voting for a plurality. Despite the mathematically challenged here who emote otherwise, third-party votes favor neither major party candidate; those who shriek, "It will favor Obama because it favors the incumbent!" should argue that point with HW Bush. Every single third party vote -- and there will probably be plenty from Democrats/liberals who'll abandon Obama this tme around -- reduces the popular mandate of the winner and increases the chances of a plurality.

So I'm voting for a plurality. I'm voting third party. It favors neither Obama nor Romney, but it will count toward making the winner that much weaker in terms of a popular mandate, and that will HELP the conservatives I'll have voted for down-ticket in opposing that liberal, whether it is Obama or Romney.

There is good, solid sense in voting third party as a means to help conservatives in Congress battle liberalism and statism. It will take the most courage I've ever had to muster in an election; it will be the first time in my life I'll have declined a Republican on any ballot, let alone the top of the ticket, since I started voting in 1976, and I have voted in every major and mid-term election since. But I must face the truth: voting for Romney is as nuts as voting for Obama, and I CAN vote for a plurality in my best and only chance to weaken whichever bastard wins.

29 posted on 07/31/2012 9:28:36 AM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: cripplecreek

Not worried about that. The more money coming into our side (from those flakes), the less going into the enemy’s side.


30 posted on 07/31/2012 11:54:50 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA

And the more control the enemy has in the GOP.

Vichy republicans will not be treated well by history.


31 posted on 07/31/2012 11:57:14 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: ynotjjr; xzins; cripplecreek

You and your little wolf pack jumping from thread to thread, day after day attacking our side has been exposed for what it is, unconditional surrender.

I haven't been called a member of a wolf pack since Boy Scouts. I like it. Thank you. As for "unconditional surrender", that accusation seems to be the new vogue GOP-e talking point. (For example: Pawns in the Obama Re-Election Campaign?) I'm seeing it pop-up here and there in conversation too. They'll have to do better, it's a weak argument.

My response: it seems "to me when genuine conservatives are directed to support an amnesty-granting, baby-killing, gun-grabbing, bailout-providing, healthcare-ransoming, homosexual-advocating, stimulus-providing liberal candidate ... "surrender" is precisely what is being requested", and rejected by those of us that see the bigger picture.

It's your vote, use it in surrender if you so choose and cast it for the liberal of your choice of the two on the ballot. But as for me, I'm proud to 'run with a better pack' than that. I'll vote for Virgil Goode. If conservatives, republicans join me, he'll win. If they don't, he'll lose. But the best candidate (the only good candidate) currently in the election will not have lost for lack of my vote.


32 posted on 07/31/2012 12:15:28 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: cripplecreek

Man, you have to take your ‘Taliban’ hat off. We’re in a war here against a far greater enemy, and you’re worried about ‘Vichy republicans’. We would’ve had a tough time winning WWII with this type of thinking.


33 posted on 07/31/2012 12:36:33 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA
Man, you have to take your ‘Taliban’ hat off.

You Pathetic coward. Did you recently join the Rachael Maddow brigade or was this a long term assignment?
34 posted on 07/31/2012 12:43:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: LibFreeUSA

LibFreeUSA
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LibFreeUSA hasn’t created an about page

COWARD!


35 posted on 07/31/2012 12:51:07 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

The Vichy French sold out to the nazis for the illusion of power when they were really nothing but puppets.

The Vichy republicans sell out to liberals for the illusion of power and they’ll be nothing but puppets.


36 posted on 07/31/2012 1:00:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: LibFreeUSA

“Man, you have to take your ‘Taliban’ hat off. We’re in a war here against a far greater enemy, and you’re worried about ‘Vichy republicans’. We would’ve had a tough time winning WWII with this type of thinking.”

I disagree. The far greater enemy is, and has been since time immemorial, the enemy within.

How can we defeat Obama when there are Democrat collaborators within the GOP actively subverting the election? Really, why did Dick Cheney have to say *anything* about Palin? Where’s the 11th Commandment when the topic is RINOs attacking conservatives? Hmmm?

The reason you see old farts like Cheney yapping about Palin is because THEY’RE AFRAID OF HER and they’re afraind that she’ll do to the Old Boys Club in DC what she did to the corrupt Republicans in Juneau. They hate her because they know they can’t control her or buy her off and they’re AFRAID.

And people like you are enabling them when you passively sit back and let them savage actual conservatives only to object when the conservatives fight back.

Just the same way the Vichy French objected when the Resistance fought back against their Nazi masters.

I find in Samuel Adams my answer to those Republicans who would rather compromise with an enemy than defeat him:

“Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say ‘what should be the reward of such sacrifices?’ Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”


37 posted on 07/31/2012 1:02:52 PM PDT by MeganC (The Cinemark theatre in Aurora, CO is a 'Gun Free Zone'. Spread the word.)
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Getting rid of the Obama bunch will give us a slightly less dangerous GOPe bunch that we will have to horsewhip like we did with BushCo on Amnesty!


38 posted on 07/31/2012 1:17:51 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: MeganC
"The reason you see old farts like Cheney yapping about Palin is because THEY’RE AFRAID OF HER..."

I totally agree. I want to see these people gone also... McConnell, Graham, etc.. - but continuing to debate the primary battle at this moment - does no service to the greater battle before us in November. We conservatives lost in the primaries, we are stuck with Romney, just as we were stuck with McCain in 2008, but we still fought - yes I know Palin was in it - and it's the only reason I and many got enthused - but, the VP does nothing in terms of policy - so we were still pulling for McCain to win it. This battle is even more important because we have now LOST 4 YEARS and things are EVEN WORSE.

39 posted on 07/31/2012 1:40:58 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA

And if history were to be re-written, if McCain had won the Executive Office in 2008, would 34 Republican Senators have stood in the way of L.O.S.T. (The Sea Treaty)? Or, for sake of "party unity", would they have held their noses and voted to ratify the treaty at a loss to our national defense and sovereignty? With Obama in support of the Treaty, it was an easier battle for our team to stand in opposition. With John McCain leading the charge of RINO's in support of damaging our maritime authority from the Executive Office, how would they have faired? The Sea Treaty was rejected because Obama is pres__ent and because McCain is not. What will Romney and a complicit Congress agree to in your name? The greater battle is won the moment "conservatives" quit supporting amnesty-granting, baby-killing, gun-grabbing, bailout-providing, healthcare-ransoming, homosexual-advocating, stimulus-providing liberal candidates. That's the battle we're doing our part to win. Join us.


40 posted on 07/31/2012 2:48:23 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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