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Rifle-Toting Troy Teen Open Carries for First Time Since Trial (MI)
birmingham.patch.com ^ | 30 July, 2012 | Kristen Skladd

Posted on 07/31/2012 8:51:46 AM PDT by marktwain

Less than three weeks after a jury found 18-year-old Troy residnet Sean Combs not guilty of disturbing the peace and brandishing a firearm, Combs picked up his M1 Garand rifle – which had been used as evidence during his trial – from Birmingham Police on Monday.

Then, he and a few other open carry advocates took to the streets of Birmingham once again Monday evening, openly carrying rifles and handguns at Shain Park.

The group, organized through opencarry.org, all share one interest: raising awareness of the right to openly carry firearms – and not get in trouble for it.

"I'm not here to make anyone feel uncomfortable or scare someone or make them feel like they're not safe because I have a gun," Combs said. "I actually want the opposite; I don't want anyone to feel like they're in any kind of danger, because they're not."

This is only the second time Combs has ever carried a gun in public, and said he did so in order to make a statement.

Combs ignited an open carry debate in Metro Detroit in April when he was stopped in downtown Birmingham for carrying a loaded rifle. Combs, who officers initially suspected of being underage, refused to present his identification and was arrested by Birmingham Police. On July 12, Combs was found not guilty of brandishing a firearm and disturbing the peace; a third charge of obstructing an officer was thrown out on the first day of the two-day trial.

"We start real small, speak softly and carry a big stick," said Jason Harrison, a North Branch resident who was also in attendance on Monday. "First, just send an e-mail or a letter to the City Council or the Mayor and explain what MCL 123.1102 actually says."

After holding a meeting on the south end of Shain Park on Monday, the group planned to walk over to the fountain area of the park with weapons in tow. Many of the men, who said they carry their guns for safety purposes, expected weird looks from those who saw them.

Adrienne Ruby-Fink, a bystander who carries a gun herself, explained that she is in support of the right to bear arms except in certain circumstances.

"I am pro-concealed weapon permit, but I think carrying rifles openly in a downtown area with kids around is just ridiculous," Ruby-Fink said. "But, I do feel it's our right as American citizens to be able to protect ourselves."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: banglist; constituton; mi; opencarry
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1 posted on 07/31/2012 8:51:54 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
FREEDOM!

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2 posted on 07/31/2012 8:53:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marktwain
"I am pro-concealed weapon permit, but I think carrying rifles openly in a downtown area with kids around is just ridiculous,"

Happened all the time in the 50's. Not many massacres then.

3 posted on 07/31/2012 9:10:57 AM PDT by agere_contra (Vote ABO. Don't choose the Greater Evil and then boast about how principled you are)
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To: marktwain
Two things transformed the wild west from a haven for criminals and outlaws into some of the nicest safest towns in America:

  1. Good citizens openly carrying firearms.
  2. Judicious use of public hangings to strike fear into the hearts of those who thought that crime might pay.

    A simplistic view, I know, as it doesn't account for the quality people who moved in and tamed the west. But it did drive out the criminal element and make it attractive for good people to move in.


4 posted on 07/31/2012 9:12:50 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: marktwain

That’s plain retarded....period! Things like that have a way of backfiring (please excuse the pun). Sure it’s our right, but it’s only our right that the courts have stated can be infringed (which I don’t agree with; but it’s reality). And, if people are openly carring rifles for no apparent reason but to raise “awareness” might just bring the wrong kind of “awareness” and spark a gun control debate within the Michigan legislature that will end up curtailing said right. For instance, in Florida, a much more conservative state than Michigan: it’s strictly forbidden to open carry, yet it’s easy to get a CCW. But, not even CCW holders are alowed to openly carry. Idiots like those mentioned in the story are only bringing undue scrutiny on those who enjoy their rights, especially after the media attention following the Aurora shooting spree.


5 posted on 07/31/2012 9:20:56 AM PDT by Engineer_Soldier ("Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: agere_contra
Happened all the time in the 50's. Not many massacres then.

In the late 50's I was on the high school rifle team and carried my rifle on the city bus to school 3 days a week. Nope no killings and no one even thought a thing about it.

6 posted on 07/31/2012 9:23:17 AM PDT by engrpat (A village in Kenya is missing their idiot...lets send him back)
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To: Engineer_Soldier

I tend to think on balance you are right. But the days the Right/Conservative wing of America feeling they are inferior in a moral sense are drawing to a close, and frankly the gun rights crowd is leading the way.


7 posted on 07/31/2012 9:32:53 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: agere_contra
Happened all the time in the 50's. Not many massacres then.

LOL! Graduated in the mid 70's myself. We all had pickup trucks... which all had gun racks. Most of them had guns on 'em.

On occasion, somebody had to go get their rifle during school because someone had spotted a cottonmouth or some-such other varmint on the school grounds.

And no one thought a THING about it!

(sigh)

How far we have fallen.

8 posted on 07/31/2012 9:37:25 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as Created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Engineer_Soldier

20 years ago people in my hometown routinely carried shotguns and rifles openly and no one batted an eye because the panicky bedwetters hadn’t “educated” the people to the dangers of openly carried arms. We used to walk into the grocery store and even the bank with them and no one took note. The kid is doing more to educate the public than every last teacher in the state combined.

He’s hardly the only person in the state walking around openly armed. I guarantee that there are thousands of openly carried weapons in Michigan at this very moment.


9 posted on 07/31/2012 9:37:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Engineer_Soldier
Don't be afraid. If you have a right that you can't exersize because of fear of someone's reaction, you don't have that right.

/johnny

10 posted on 07/31/2012 9:40:31 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: marktwain

Liberals heads exploding!


11 posted on 07/31/2012 9:46:32 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: marktwain

Good for you, young man!


12 posted on 07/31/2012 9:46:51 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: MamaTexan

Hell, we were able to take guns to school with us into the early 80s for hunting after school.

The rules were simple. If you drove, the gun had to stay locked in your car. Guns weren’t to be taken on the bus so a parent had to bring you and the gun had to be left in the principal’s office till the end of the school day.

If I were to go into town right now I know of 3 businesses where at least some of the employees are openly carrying. The hardware used to have a sign in the front window that announced the fact that the owner and employees were armed. Its been some 30 years since there was a murder in this town.


13 posted on 07/31/2012 9:50:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I can still hear my great grandmother’s voice.

“would you boys like some pie before you head into the woods?”

“Put those guns in the closet, they don’t belong in the kitchen.”


14 posted on 07/31/2012 10:02:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marktwain
"I am pro-concealed weapon permit, but I think carrying rifles openly in a downtown area with kids around is just ridiculous,"

Its hard to carry an M1 Garand concealed.

15 posted on 07/31/2012 10:07:05 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

I don’t have a lot of experience with handguns. My comfort zone is long guns and that’s where I prefer to stay.


16 posted on 07/31/2012 10:11:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Engineer_Soldier

That’s plain retarded....period! Things like that have a way of backfiring (please excuse the pun).

**********

You’ve absorbed a lot of fear from the dominant media culture. Fear like that is keeping gun owners on the defensive. Gun owners need to go eyeball-to-eyeball with their opponents — it’s working for the gays.


17 posted on 07/31/2012 11:17:31 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (Socon-Econ)
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To: Socon-Econ; All
You’ve absorbed a lot of fear from the dominant media culture. Fear like that is keeping gun owners on the defensive. Gun owners need to go eyeball-to-eyeball with their opponents — it’s working for the gays.

You are quite correct. However, there is an important distinction:

The gays have the MSM.

The constitutionalists, patriots, and freedom fighters have the new media.

18 posted on 07/31/2012 12:14:32 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: cripplecreek
Its been some 30 years since there was a murder in this town.

If one person in your town killed another, the total population would decrease by 10% after one person heads to prison, the other to a morgue.

;^)

19 posted on 07/31/2012 12:20:12 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

The most excitement we’ve had since was the Hutaree raid and that was a complete and utter federal fail.


20 posted on 07/31/2012 12:24:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well, alright; I don’t live up there. But knowing how Michigan swings from left to right, to left again, I wouldn’t be surprised if the legislature their doesn’t just take your open carry rights away over some fools wanting to cart around AR15’s. But, hey, it won’t affect me here at Fort Knox, KY. I just think some show-off is cutting all of your collective noses off to spite the face.


21 posted on 07/31/2012 3:08:25 PM PDT by Engineer_Soldier ("Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: marktwain

“Combs picked up his M1 Garand rifle”

M1 Garand- the proven tool of people trying to defeat fascism and communism...


22 posted on 07/31/2012 3:37:12 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Engineer_Soldier
I don't think open carry has ever been illegal here. If it was I thousands of Michiganders were ignoring the law for my whole life. After all, we still have gun racks in pickups. Even our liberals are armed in Michigan.

Handguns and concealed carry were another issue and Jenny Granholm signed our concealed carry into law. She didn't like it but she had little choice.

Heck our state flag has a man with a gun on it.

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23 posted on 07/31/2012 6:52:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SampleMan

“I am pro-concealed weapon permit, but I think carrying rifles openly in a downtown area with kids around is just ridiculous

Your degree of stupidity needs to be licensed....unless it already is.


24 posted on 08/01/2012 12:59:28 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (That Kenyan, muzzy bastard is not my president. ENFORCE the Bill of Rights.)
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To: S.O.S121.500

I most certainly hope that your post was directed at the person I quoted from the article, and not me.

If I’m mistaken, please explain.


25 posted on 08/01/2012 3:43:42 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Engineer_Soldier
Did you ever read the second amendment? Open carry is what every citizen should do, always.
26 posted on 08/01/2012 1:00:54 PM PDT by exnavy (The time is upon us, fish or cut bait, may God guide your heart.)
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To: exnavy
The Constitution of the State of Michigan of 1963 Article 1, Section 6 reads:

Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
27 posted on 08/02/2012 3:14:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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