Posted on 08/06/2012 10:38:28 AM PDT by kingattax
“The company will pay a $300,000 fine under a criminal enforcement agreement that defers prosecution for criminal violations of the Lacey Act. Another $50,000 fine will go to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation to be used to promote the conservation, identification and propagation of protected tree species used in the musical instrument industry and the forests where those species are found.
That’s a lotta Les Pauls, at $1K profit (probably overstating it) = 3500 guitars. And...if the evil wood is ebony, only a very few upper-end Gibson models use ebony (most use rosewood) fretboards. LP Custom, SG Custom (LP Customs only, not the LP Standards or the majority of the various down-line LP models) L-5, Super-400, not that many others)
I like how $50K goes to the NATIONAL Fish & Wildlife Foundation...as if one freaking splinter of ebony came from the US. A nice little piece of extortion. Unfortunately, the reverse protest on this issue is gonna be a little pricier than Chick-Fil-A.
I wonder about the size of the penalty relative to the corpus of the alleged violation. By that, I mean both the 2009 and the 2011 seizures amounted to something under $1 million worth of wood. (That number is entirely from memory) A bank committing money laundering, such as Wachovia and HSBC, probably pays a penalty of between 5 and 10% of the total proceeds of their crime for which they pay a penalty “without admitting guilt”. In the case of Wachovia and HSBC, the case is closed. Yet in the case of Gibson, the article says prosecution is DEFERRED in exchange for Gibson paying ONE THIRD the corpus of the violation. Deferred = delayed. Huh? You mean, the DOJ can pull this out of its hat again at some unknown future time?
The Federal Government did not get rid of organized crime, they just replaced it with themselves. This is political extortion, plain and simple.
Where in the story was the part about Madagascar persuing Gibson via our regulatory agencies for Gibson’s illegal purchase of their forest products?
Wondering how our government can justify going after Gibson without a complaint filed by Madagascar to initiate such action.
Perhaps there is another participant in this tyranny behind the scenes sticking their nose into the business of sovereign Nations, and private enterprise.
The whole thing stinks of U.N.
Pretty much, otherwise they're cowards willing to surrender over $600K to Mordor rather than fight for what's right.
Wow. $350K for nothing. Guess it would have been cheaper to give $50K to the Obama election campaign.
Next time they’ll pay up front.
In the original complaint they were going after Gibson for Indian wood taken against Indian law. Except that the Indian government was OK with the procedures in place and had no complaint.
It sounds like Madagascar similarly had no complaint with Gibson. Which means they are accused of non-crimes and the price of not being bankrupted is to offer a soviet-style confession to this non-crime.
It'll all go to China, where they will make counterfeit Gibson guitars.
What a moronic law. There are literally millions of laws around this globe, and we have to know about the detailed ins and outs of every legal system throughout the world, or we are criminals?
Our Congress is the biggest band of idiots and our second greatest embarrassment after the inimitably idiotic Kenyan Clown.
Nope-—rosewood fretboard.
I just got a new Gebson Les Paul on Wednesday,
so I think I’ll hold off a bit before my next purchase.
But it was a good thought.
This stinks. Not only do they have to pay huge fines, they lose nearly $300k of wood.
Sadly that is the case. I wish they had stood their ground.
So....what happens to the impounded ebony? My guess...burned or sold to some leftist company...Martin? I’m going with burned.
“gasp) Does this make ME a criminal???”
No, the fact you don’t kiss liberal butt and vote for Obama makes you a criminal. Welcome to the club.
I own a nice Gibson Sonix built back in the early 80s. It’s a great guitar.
We don’t need no more stinkin’ taxes, just sue the crap out of all the evil oil companies; power companies; big banks; coal companies, and now the small woodworking companies!
I wish they would have stood and fought. When faced with this sort of pressure, companies usually cave.
Kudos to Chick Fil-A for standing firm.
Shakedown.
Shakedown.
A company that employs people has to tread lightly. The correct action of a company is to settle - unless each and every employee volunteers to risk their job and their paycheck in an unfair fight with the government. It would be unwise anyway to fight an opponent on a battlefield that the opponent selected, at the time of opponent's choosing. A $600K will look very attractive after a judge hits them with a $60M fine. Company's management is there to avoid that unfortunate situation. It does not even matter if there was or there wasn't any wrongdoing on company's part - not any more than medical help to injured motorists depends on who was at fault.
If the Obama's regime stays in power for another 4 (?) years then one possible response would be to move the entire company abroad, with every single employee relocated. There are many countries in the world (nearly all of them) that have better business climate; life there will cost less, so in the end the employees will be richer.
Nice SG! Keep it good and under no circumstances lend it to friends/relatives, LOL!
When I played electric in the 60s-70s I bought a brand new Mosrite Ventures. Wonderful but high maintenence guitar. Then I went all acoustic and after marriage pput it all away.
Decades later I let my then teenaged oldest son use the Mosrite. Dented, buckle rash...I finally sold it to a collector who was extremelly happy for paying $2000 even in less than pristene condition.
Right now I have 2 Silvertone acoustics, one is laminated the other is real wood. Both sound great after I set them up and I paid less than $100 total.
Also have a real tele and a strat copy. They are OK but like I said I am into acoustc fingerstyle.
I’d love to get a Gibsom Hummingbird or Songwriter. The Seagull guitars from Canada are also interesting.
I’d also like to try an archtop like a Gibson 335 or Epi copy.
Fender, Martin, Ibanez, and others all use rosewood, and probably ebony too.
But the gub’mint only went after Gibson.
Hmmmmmmmm
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