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Gibson Guitar Corp. Strikes Deal with Justice Dept. to Avoid Prosecution
PJ Media ^ | 8-6-12 | Bridget Johnson

Posted on 08/06/2012 10:38:28 AM PDT by kingattax

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Nice guitar company you got there.

Shame if anything happened to it.

41 posted on 08/06/2012 12:52:51 PM PDT by vollmond (I'm an issues voter. If you're a Democrat, I've got issues.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
http://www.groove.no/pix/w400/i556952361.jpg

A punk rocker who had a thing for "Les Paul Originals" made his way into Dick Tracy.


42 posted on 08/06/2012 12:58:15 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: Izzy Dunne


A punk rocker who had a thing for "Les Paul Originals" made his way into Dick Tracy.


43 posted on 08/06/2012 12:58:43 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: prisoner6

I have two friends with 335s, and I am jealous of both of them. And they are jealous of each other, which makes it more funny.


44 posted on 08/06/2012 1:07:40 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Proud to have been beat up and shot by the late Paul Gomez. RIP, 'Gnomez'.)
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To: kingattax; Scoutmaster
*ping*

Gibson Guitar Corp. Strikes Deal with Justice Dept. to Avoid Prosecution

45 posted on 08/06/2012 1:12:23 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: musicman

My daughter has a Hummingbird, which we purchased for her, and she just won a really nice 1961 SG reissue. Both gorgeous American guitars. I can’t wait until November to get the Obama crooks out of the way.


46 posted on 08/06/2012 1:18:11 PM PDT by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: real saxophonist

I have more FUN with my cheap Silvertones than I ever had with an expensive guitar! After I set them up they play and sound great even the laminated cheapie I bought for $6!

In fact the laminated has a nice mellow, smooth tone using 11-52 IIRC Pearse or Martin strings.

It’s funny when some of my old band gets togethet and we compare. They are jealous of how good mine sound compared to their $500+++
guitars!

It’s all in the setup and knowing what you are playing.

I am jealous of the accomplished luthiers!

Really if you think about it a lot of the “classic” acoustic sound was done on fairly inexpensive guitars.

BTW my first electric was a DanoElectric made of Masonite with the amp in the case! The action was horrendous! Wish I had one now. Real ones go for big bucks! They sound cool!


47 posted on 08/06/2012 1:48:45 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: married21
DOJ and Musical Instrument maker reach a chord?

Makes you wonder if there were strings attached...

48 posted on 08/06/2012 2:05:44 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (When you accept the invite into the scorpionÂ’s home donÂ’t bother looking for the exit.)
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To: The Citizen Soldier

Not just anybody can make bad puns about guitars. I requires some pluck.


49 posted on 08/06/2012 2:48:56 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Fiji Hill

The Government has unlimited resources, the courts on their side , and lawyers on the payroll who just sit around all day slapping their chicken.

I wish Gibson could have taken them on too, but sometimes you just can’t win and you pay up.

The government knew that when they went in and stole their wood and ripped them off.


50 posted on 08/06/2012 3:29:17 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: prisoner6

I wouldn’t be surprised to see it show up in Steny Hoyers, or John Roberts den.


51 posted on 08/06/2012 3:30:19 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Greysard
If the Obama's regime stays in power for another 4 (?) years then one possible response would be to move the entire company abroad, with every single employee relocated. There are many countries in the world (nearly all of them) that have better business climate; life there will cost less, so in the end the employees will be richer.

Free men go where they are most free.

That used to be here.

52 posted on 08/06/2012 3:39:26 PM PDT by marron
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To: kingattax

Gibson Guitars, the only thing this will get you is to get effed harder the next time.


53 posted on 08/06/2012 3:43:29 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: married21
Not just anybody can make bad puns about guitars.

Even if we're up to our neck in guitar puns, I don't think we should fret about it.

54 posted on 08/06/2012 3:49:48 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (When you accept the invite into the scorpionÂ’s home donÂ’t bother looking for the exit.)
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To: SpaceBar

good idea !


55 posted on 08/06/2012 4:30:51 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: married21

I don’t think it’s anything you should fret about


56 posted on 08/06/2012 4:41:43 PM PDT by Dratlatl
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To: DannyTN; Liberty Valance
I was rooting for Gibson, based on their claims of government bullying, but this consent decree sounds completely one sided in favor of the government. And if Gibson really did admit as claimed, it sounds like Gibson really was at fault.

Gibson's hands have never been clean in this.

With respect to the first raid, in which Madagascar ebony was seized, Gibson clearly did something it knew was illegal. Gibson representative Gene Nix had been on the ground in Madagascar and specifically had visited the 'factory' of Roger Thunam. Thunam had recently been released from prison for illegal lumber trafficking.

Nix emailed the executives at Gibson that Thunam's lumber was under seizure by the Malagasy government. He also emailed that there was no 'legitimate' source for Madagascar ebony.

However, Gibson bought Thunam's ebony through the German firm of Theodor Nagel, Gmbh.

If you read through all of the legal documents, you'll find that a source in Madagascar notified the U.S. about the illegal sale from Thunam to Nagel. You'll also discover that several other individuals who were on the lumber-finding trip with Nix gave statements that it was illegal for Thunam to export his ebony.

As Liberty Valance will attest, I've been crying in the wilderness since the August 2011 raid that Gibson was clearly guilty of violating the law in the previous Madagascar ebony raid.

The circumstances of the East Indian ebony and rosewood seizures are more complicated - involving changing Hamonized Schedule codes after the wood was shipped, misidentifying the contents of containers, failing to list the true ultimate consignee (Gibson was not listed on the import paperwork), and more. The parties involved with Gibson on that import were . . . Theodor Nagel Gmbh (again) and Luthiers Mercantile, a company related to Nagel.

57 posted on 08/06/2012 4:44:39 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: married21
DOJ and Musical Instrument maker reach a chord?

I'll make a note of that.

58 posted on 08/06/2012 4:48:26 PM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: marron
In the original complaint they were going after Gibson for Indian wood taken against Indian law.

No.

There were two raids on Gibson.

The first raids were in November 2009 and involved Madagascar ebony. The second raids, involving East Indian rosewood and ebony, were in August 2011.

There were separate civil forfeiture actions for each set of raids.

Only the August 2011 raids got a lot of media attention. Gibson didn't roll out its public relations machine with respect to the first raids because the facts were much too unfavorable for Gibson, including internal Gibson emails acknowledging that it couldn't legally buy the Madagascar ebony before Gibson followed through on the purchase.

59 posted on 08/06/2012 4:51:04 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

bttt


60 posted on 08/06/2012 7:45:20 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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