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James Holmes' Psychiatrist Contacted University Police Weeks Before Movie-Theater Shooting..
ABC News ^ | Aug. 6, 2012 | MARK GREENBLATT

Posted on 08/06/2012 10:14:41 PM PDT by PA Engineer

The psychiatrist who treated suspected movie-theater shooter James Holmes made contact with a University of Colorado police officer to express concerns about her patient's behavior several weeks before Holmes' alleged rampage, sources told ABC News.

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Fenton would have had to have serious concerns to break confidentiality with her patient to reach out to the police officer or others, the sources said. Under Colorado law, a psychiatrist can legally breach a pledge of confidentiality with a patient if he or she becomes aware of a serious and imminent threat that their patient might cause harm to others. Psychiatrists can also breach confidentiality if a court has ordered them to do so.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: jamesholmes
This is an interesting revelation and something that I had suspected. From past experience in calling a 302 on a neighbor I was met with police resistance. Only after I told them they were going through neighbors mailboxes did they act. I am surprised that ABC reported this.
1 posted on 08/06/2012 10:14:45 PM PDT by PA Engineer
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To: PA Engineer

It has to be said: while we have great brave and solid police officers, the unionized bureaucracy along with left wing Dem theft has turned our law enforcement into a joke.

Along with the coddling of criminals that have been subjects of movies, TV and literature since the early 1960’s.

At least in the old days the law would just shoot Bonnie and Clyde, Machine Gun Kelly, etc. Shoot to kill.


2 posted on 08/06/2012 10:20:42 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: PA Engineer

Missed it by that much..Of course.


3 posted on 08/06/2012 10:32:53 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Fledermaus

I know, however the police should have acted. I want to see more details, but I suspect we will see nothing because of government negligence. They will continue the big lie that gun laws would have prevented this. The lie sticks while the truth will be buried.


4 posted on 08/06/2012 10:37:40 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: PA Engineer
The sources did not know what the officer approached by Dr. Lynne Fenton did with the information she passed along. They said, however, that the officer was recently interviewed, with an attorney present, by the Aurora Police Department as a part of the ongoing investigation of the shooting.

Uh oh...Where's the report?

Wasn't she the director of mental health, and or head psych for the University?

Did she just stop the first campus cop who happened by and had conversation with him?

Campus police? It seems this wouldn't be the way to report someone who she believed to be dangerous.

This should get interesting.

5 posted on 08/06/2012 10:48:45 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: PA Engineer
University of Colorado spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery declined to comment on what, if anything, the university police officer might have done with information provided by Fenton

I suspect when the victims attorneys start contacting Ms. Montgomery, she'll need to do better than that.

6 posted on 08/06/2012 10:53:07 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: PA Engineer

99% of campus staff have no common sense.

If there was a dorm fire, first one they call would be Dean of Housing.


7 posted on 08/06/2012 10:55:43 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (?????? . what??? Who knew? .)
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To: dragnet2
They said, however, that the officer was recently interviewed, with an attorney present, by the Aurora Police Department as a part of the ongoing investigation of the shooting.

That caught my eye. It seems clear to me if there was no report, then there was no report. Why the lawyer? The police just say we received no reports, however the specific officer in question lawyered up. Makes you go hmmm.
8 posted on 08/06/2012 10:59:04 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: dragnet2
I suspect when the victims attorneys start contacting Ms. Montgomery, she'll need to do better than that.

They are going to sue no matter what. Everyone is going to be caught up who are either remotely connected or not. The Doctor was concerned enough to go to the police. Holmes was seen as a danger to himself or others. That is the reason he was reported. The action was then past on to the appropriate authorities. An investigation and 72 hour commitment should have followed.
9 posted on 08/06/2012 11:04:28 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: PA Engineer
Oh, you bet. Universities have deep pockets.

After the event, when it was reported Holmes was seeing the shrink, the head psychiatrist for the UCO was probably telling everyone she saw she reported this guy to save her own hide.

If this is all true, and the university cops did nothing and failed to pass the info along...Well, they will lose in a really big, big way.

Or was it the city cops who had the info but did nothing?

10 posted on 08/06/2012 11:05:25 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
If this is all true, and the university cops did nothing and failed to pass the info along...Well, they will lose in a really big, big way.

Shades of Penn State.

Or was it the city cops who had the info but did nothing?

I was wondering the same, however I know the campus police had the authority to act. The question will be whether the University Hospital had a vested interest in keeping the costs down. Mental illness does not reimburse well. Just another factor. This maybe cynical, but I will wager it is a factor.
11 posted on 08/06/2012 11:12:34 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: PA Engineer
Everyone is going to be caught up who are either remotely connected or not

Probably true, however, if the U cops can show they informed the city cops, they will limit their liability dramatically.

Otherwise, the U will take a *major* hit.

12 posted on 08/06/2012 11:13:14 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Probably true, however, if the U cops can show they informed the city cops, they will limit their liability dramatically.

Sadly, this will all be delayed by discovery. The American attention span is short and the politicians have used the incident for what it is worth. I am just sad many here had immediately jumped to conclusions. A conclusion before the facts is never the truth.
13 posted on 08/06/2012 11:20:18 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: PA Engineer

You bet, I read a lot of it...Wild reckless speculation was off the charts, when it should have been obvious, this guy was simply a mental case.


14 posted on 08/06/2012 11:24:17 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
This should get interesting.

But won't... the perp has rights they must protect too.....
15 posted on 08/07/2012 12:00:03 AM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: PA Engineer
Shades of Penn State.

Considering the now GOVERNOR, when he was an officer of the court, knew of the situation.. and did NOTHING... PSU and the state of PA is struggling to wash it all away.

So it all still could get very messy...
16 posted on 08/07/2012 12:09:31 AM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: JSteff
Oh and it must be noted the Gov was on the board of PSU while this was all "going down".

Corbet apparently did not try to get PSU to get this handled with the first reports in the early 1990's.
17 posted on 08/07/2012 12:16:33 AM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: dragnet2
Wild reckless speculation was off the charts, when it should have been obvious, this guy was simply a mental case.

A lot of these lunatics turned out to have had strong (Leftist) political views. Just because they're 'mental cases' doesn't mean they can't be politically minded.

Here are Caitie Parker's (a former friend of Congresswoman Gifford's shooter) original responses to 3 different Twitter posters (the 'at' symbol @ = To: _______ )

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“Loughner’s former [BEST] friend [Zach Osler] said that he was mostly influenced by the Zeitgeist Movement. Below is the ABC video interview with Jared Loughner’s friend, Zach Osler.” [see first link below]

(ABC Good Morning America video at link)

Zach Osler: [pp] “Zeitgeist Movement had a PROFOUND effect on shooter and how he saw the world”
http://www.norcalblogs.com/gate/2011/01/shooter-never-listened-to-talk-radio-called-gifford-stupid-after-meeting-her.php
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The ‘Zeitgeist Movement’ is basically a global Marxism one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zeitgeist_Movement

18 posted on 08/07/2012 12:31:24 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: dragnet2
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Joe Stack (IRS plane crasher) sums up his “manifesto” with this, a popular Karl Marx quote and a stab at Capitalism...

“The communist creed:
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed:
From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.”

-Joe Stack (1956-2010)
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Full text here: (CNN PDF file)

19 posted on 08/07/2012 12:32:00 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: dragnet2
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"The woman accused of killing three colleagues at the University of Alabama in Huntsville [Amy Bishop] was a suspect in a 1993 attempted mail bombing, according to a report by The Boston Globe.

The report broke the day after it was learned that Bishop fatally shot her brother in Braintree in 1986. ..."

http://www.necn.com/02/14/10/Amy-Bishop-at-time-of-1993-mail-bomb-inv/landing.html?blockID=180453&feedID=4215
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"A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was "obsessed" with President Obama to the point of being off-putting."--Boston Herald, February 15, 2010

'Oddball' portrait of Amy Bishop emerges:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100215oddball_protrait_emerges_suspects_family_pals_offer_clues/srvc=home&position=0

20 posted on 08/07/2012 12:32:28 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: dragnet2
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From SFGate.com:

Unabomber essay urges attacks on 'techno-industrial system'
July 27, 2002 | By Dan Eggen, Dominic Gates, Washington Post

In an article published this spring by Green Anarchy, a radical environmental newsletter, [unabomber Ted] Kaczynski calls on revolutionaries to "eliminate the entire techno-industrial system" by "hitting where it hurts" and disparages the activities of most radicals as "pointless." ..."

“The fall 2001 issue of Green Anarchy published a letter from Kaczynski complaining that Subcomandante Marcos, leader of the Zapatista rebels in Chiapas, Mexico, was insufficiently pure as a revolutionary because he advocates bringing water and electricity to peasants....”

http://articles.sfgate.com/2002-07-27/news/17554242_1_contention-that-modern-society-radical-environmental-newsletter-kaczynski-kaczynski-s-views/2
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From anarchist-org.forum:

The Zapatista Army of National Liberation (El Ejército Zapatista de Liberación Nacional) is an anarcho communist army that is based in Mexico, mainly the poorest state in Mexico, Chiapas. In 1994, January 1st, they started their revolution and it has been increasingly successful throughout the years. Today, they are attempting non-violent struggles because the people told them too — they are truly an army of the people. However, both the people and their army are realizing how unsuccessful that tactic is.

Their ideology, Zapatismo, is a mixture of indigenous teachings, autonomism, anarchism and communism. Although other revolutions are going on in the world (like the Southern African anarcho communist movement), the Zapatista revolution was deemed the first modern revolution of our time and it’s bringing hope to people not only in Mexico, but around the world.”

http://anarchist-org.forum-gratuiti.net/t206-zapatista-anarcho-communist-revolution

21 posted on 08/07/2012 12:32:58 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: dragnet2

From the Wall Street Journal
NOVEMBER 24, 2007

Oswald was a dedicated communist who had defected to the Soviet Union in 1959 out of disgust with American capitalism. After becoming disillusioned with Soviet life, he returned to the U.S. in 1962. In early 1963, he bought a scoped rifle through the mail and soon used it to fire a shot (which missed) at retired general Edwin Walker, the head of the John Birch Society in Dallas. In the summer of 1963, Oswald was active in street demonstrations in support of Castro. In September 1963, he visited the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City seeking a travel visa that would allow him to travel to Cuba.

Oswald was among the radicals of the time who saw Third World revolutionaries like Castro as the wave of the communist future. He was well aware of Kennedy's efforts to overthrow Castro's regime. As a Senate investigative committee suggested in 1975, Oswald shot Kennedy to interrupt his administration's plans to assassinate Castro or to overthrow his regime in Cuba.

Ignoring Oswald's communist links, journalists and political leaders quickly claimed the president was a martyr to civil rights. Earl Warren said that Kennedy had "suffered martyrdom as a result of the hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots." Martin Luther King said the assassination had to be viewed against the backdrop of violence against civil rights marchers in the South. James Reston wrote in the New York Times that "something in the nation itself, some strain of madness and violence, had destroyed the highest symbol of law and order."

The consensus opinion was that Kennedy was a victim of hate and bigotry, a casualty of his support for civil rights. The Cold War and Kennedy's ongoing feud with Castro were rarely mentioned as factors behind the assassination. The reasons? Mrs. Kennedy wanted her husband remembered as a modern-day Abraham Lincoln. Lyndon Johnson feared complicating relations with the Soviet Union. Liberals feared a replay of the McCarthy period, when the Wisconsin senator inflamed public opinion about fears of domestic communism.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119586848318702756.html

22 posted on 08/07/2012 12:33:26 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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"Law enforcement sources confirmed to ABC News that [Colorado theater shooter] Holmes said "I am the Joker" when apprehended by authorities."

(Excerpt) Read more at gma.yahoo.com

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9405999/How-the-Dark-Knight-Rises-reveals-Batmans-Conservative-soul.html
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From Breitbart, one day before the shooting...

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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/07/18/dark-knight-rises-review-batman-bain-ows
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The following is from ABC's Good Morning America, via Yahoo News...

"Law enforcement sources confirmed to ABC News that [Colorado theater shooter] Holmes said "I am the Joker" when apprehended by authorities."

[snip]

There are more parallels. In Frank Miller's iconic 1986 comic book series, "The Dark Knight Returns," the Joker murders a television studio audience by deploying "smile gas." Holmes began his massacre by setting off smoke bombs throughout the theater.

In the same book, Arnold Crimp, a disturbed man who just lost his job, pulls out a handgun in an adult film theater and kills three people. A scene from the strip shows a news anchor saying, "Three slain in Batman-inspired porn theater shoot-out." ..."

(Excerpt) Read more at gma.yahoo.com

23 posted on 08/07/2012 12:36:42 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: dragnet2
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"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
--Bill Ayers (1970), quoted in New York Times, September 11, 2001:

Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1>
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"Dig It. First they killed those pigs [ie, rich people], then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"
-Weather Underground leader and wife of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, referring to the Manson murders

Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09
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Undercover agent Larry Grathwohl discusses the Weather Underground's post-revolution governing plans for the United States:

Larry Grathwohl:

"I asked, 'well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?' and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers. And when I say 'eliminate,' I mean 'kill.' Twenty-five million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people. And they were dead serious."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ
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"It was at the Chicago home of [Bill] Ayers and [Bernardine] Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World — where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' — both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Article: The Company He Keeps:
Meet Obama’s circle: The same old America-hating Left
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YThjYTU1ZDBjNmQ2YzcwNzU1MmYwN2JiMWY0ZGI0NDA=&w=MA==

24 posted on 08/07/2012 1:09:25 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

I have absolutely no idea what your posts are all about...A bit strange though. See ya!


25 posted on 08/07/2012 7:31:05 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2; ETL
I have absolutely no idea what your posts are all about...A bit strange though. See ya!

ETL expressed an observation:
A lot of these lunatics turned out to have had strong (Leftist) political views. Just because they're 'mental cases' doesn't mean they can't be politically minded.

Then backed it up with many recent examples.

ETL, pretty chilling! Each and all.

26 posted on 08/07/2012 7:37:50 AM PDT by GBA
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Re: 'I have absolutely no idea what your posts are all about...A bit strange though. See ya!'

ETL expressed an observation: Then backed it up with many recent examples.

Thanks, GBA. You'd think it was obvious enough. Guess not. :)

27 posted on 08/07/2012 7:54:21 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Fledermaus

“It has to be said: while we have great brave and solid police officers, the unionized bureaucracy along with left wing Dem theft has turned our law enforcement into a joke.

Along with the coddling of criminals that have been subjects of movies, TV and literature since the early 1960’s.

At least in the old days the law would just shoot Bonnie and Clyde, Machine Gun Kelly, etc. Shoot to kill.”

While we have great brave and solid police officers... Just where do you find these officers? You are right, the cops ARE a JOKE, but unlike officers in “the old days.” today’s cops just shoot the family dog!

Never call the cops, they are not there to help you!


28 posted on 08/07/2012 8:52:15 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: GBA; ETL
The man was a mental case, a ding.

You guys can read all want into it, post all the stories ya want. But the man should have been in a rubber room.

End of story.

29 posted on 08/07/2012 9:00:47 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2; GBA; ETL
The man was a mental case, a ding.

You guys can read all want into it, post all the stories ya want. But the man should have been in a rubber room.

End of story.


I agree with dragnet2 here. The government fell down again on this one. Had he been committed, everyone would be alive and uninjured today. With his level of insanity, I highly doubt he would have been released after 72 hours. It is as simple as that.

The question is why did the police not react?
30 posted on 08/07/2012 1:37:51 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: PA Engineer

He was apparently arming up not long before, and or prior to or even during his talk with the University Director of mental health, which appears was weeks prior to when the Director notified the U PD.

Not good for the U and or the city if they were too were informed, as they would have likely seen the recent purchases etc. Very bad news.


31 posted on 08/07/2012 2:03:30 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
He was apparently arming up not long before, and or prior to or even during his talk with the University Director of mental health, which appears was weeks prior to when the Director notified the U PD.

I wonder what information was passed on to the U PD. The fact that everything is under seal makes this a little bit more than just troubling. It is beginning to look like a political coverup.
32 posted on 08/07/2012 2:38:21 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: dragnet2
Did she just stop the first campus cop who happened by and had conversation with him?Campus police?

It seems this wouldn't be the way to report someone who she believed to be dangerous.

This should get interesting.

She also contacted members of the University's "threat assessment team" about her concerns. It sounds to me like she made a legitimate effort to bring this to the attention of the right people on campus. As you said, this should get interesting.

33 posted on 08/07/2012 2:52:50 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: GreenHornet

You bet GH.

We’re learning this entire case has changed dramatically since the horrific event.

Of course, what is being reported now, doesn’t lend itself to those who made every reckless speculation imaginable.

Based on this latest news, I’d bet the litigation goes nuclear.


34 posted on 08/07/2012 7:15:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: PA Engineer
I'll bet we find out Fenton was prescribing
psychotropic drugs to Holmes.

I had heard that she was the head of the
threat assessment committee.

She had been admonished for giving out drugs
without paperwork and to herself and
her husband and colleagues without
a patient relationship.


35 posted on 08/07/2012 7:31:26 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: PA Engineer

The NRA was not the issue - there appears to be a connection between the Columbine, Virginia Tech and James Holmes - ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THERE ARE NICE PARENTS LIKE HOLMES’ MOTHER who are losing their sons and daughters to revolutionary movements. I believe that some college profs are engaging in psychological harm and while we must protect freedom of speech, it should not be abused to influence individuals to disrupt lives. What happened to the McCarthyism? They hounded innocent people like Arthur Miller yet they did not address the violence so it has escalated nor did they address the fact that church tythes and other funds support revolutionaries like the CPUSA.
The NRA should speak up because it is being brought up to distract us from the real issue and it is not fair that innocent people keep getting killed because the real issue of anarchism is not addressed.


36 posted on 08/28/2012 7:59:26 PM PDT by MarxistResearcher
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