Posted on 08/10/2012 10:20:56 AM PDT by madprof98
I’ve never really written about my views on gay marriage, in part because I’m squishy on the issue and vacillate between lukewarm opposition and benign indifference. I know this will annoy some of my colleagues — and a good number of readers — but I think gay marriage, or something functionally equivalent to it is 1) inevitable 2) not the end of the world. If the institution of marriage underwritten by the State were the same as the one underwritten by God, I might be able to get my blood up over it. But as it stands, I endorse Kevin Williamson’s view on the matter pretty much word-for-word (Representative sentence: “Your contract with your cell-phone provider is legally enforceable, and your marriage vows — ‘forsaking all others until death do us part’ and all that — are not.”)
I think conservatives would be better served at this point by focusing on managing the process and containing the fallout from inevitability of gay marriage. E.g., by making sure things like this aren’t allowed to stand, and that, once civil marriage is opened to all, there is still a wide berth for Free Exercise, and for the bonds of holy matrimony to be defined by holy authorities.
This all being said, I also don’t think “marriage equality” is especially important. In particular, I think the analogy between the gay-marriage movement and the civil-rights movement of the 50s and 60s is ludicrous. I make that case — as well as the case that gays are not going to be embraced by mainstream America by staging Chick-fil-A “kiss-ins” etc. — in this clip from Bloggingheads.tv’s “The Good Fight.” My (exceedingly polite and reasonable) interlocutor is Amy Sullivan of Time and sundry, a pro-gay-marriage blogger on religion. You can click through and watch our entire conversation, which proceeds from an end-of-the-day analysis of the Chick-fil-A brouhaha and winds up taking a number of interesting detours.
A Great society NEVER ACCEPTS PERVERSION.
Just another reason to ignore NR.
A great society has a shared morality. We no longer do.
Our culture no longer accepts the concept of right and wrong.
Truly, it doesn’t matter what government does. Looking to laws pro or con to solve ethical issues is futile. The only solution is societal values. Society pressures its members into conformity.
Societal shame works better than a bullwhip.
That’s what we have now: a society that accepts immorality as acceptable and shames anyone who dares speak otherwise.
A few decades ago, it was the other way around.
What to do? I don’t know the answer, other than prayer. It seems that we have lost the battle and perhaps the war.
“I know this will annoy some of my colleagues — and a good number of readers — but I think gay marriage, or something functionally equivalent to it is 1) inevitable 2) not the end of the world.”
Oh, yes it will be the end of the world as it we as a world civilization would not survive the onslaught of damnation if any government endorsed Sodomite Marriage.
Out nation would surely collapse and fall as it will soon do in New York, Mass, Connecticut, Iowa, New Hampshire and Vermont.
Godlessness is catching. Expect nothing of virtue from these people. The people of God are the Church and even they are often stiff necked, anathema to all that is sacred and of sacramental design. God be with us, and we with him.
NYT is resorting to the anecdote form of propaganda. One point makes a line for the left.
This is the push back of a few homosexuals in the media and RINOs who have dirty secrets betting on conservatives vanishing in the future by going home.
Chick Fil a was a referendum and the left does not like it.
Well, no.
Are you one of those who thinks Romney should just ignore Obama’s lies? If you think Romney should fight, then why do you opt out?
Ignoring never fixes anything. Head-in-the-sand-and-don’t-read-anything-that-doesn’t-agree-with-me is a losing philosophy.
(Representative sentence: “Your contract with your cell-phone provider is legally enforceable, and your marriage vows — ‘forsaking all others until death do us part’ and all that — are not.”)
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statist idiots. who don’t understand slippery slopes are real.
...already in Europe, Churches are being sued for discrimination, for refusing to marry gays.
...already in the USA, Catholic adoption agencies,
have been forced to close their doors.
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it’s not about equality or fairness.
it’s about attacking traditional familes, and Christianity itself.
This big war by the GOP establishment against conservatives is about social issues, and one thing they first want removed from the national political dialogue is homosexual issues.
I predict this is the last election where Conservatives will vote as a block for the GOP-e. Conservatives are not like blacks with regards to the demon party. We conservatives don’t like plantation life.
Cancelled NR over 2 yrs. ago, and it becomes more like LGF every day. Its reached a point conservatives should only read it to know what the opposition thinks.
So, let the Huns in through the gate and then wage the war from the inside? Yeah, that'll work. The main problem with gay marriage, as I see it, is that it removes any legal and moral barrier to any behavior between consenting adults. Polygamy, for example--what argument does the state have against polygamy after gay marriage is condoned? None. In fact, all moral laws become weakened at this point. Why not lower the age of consent? Why are citizens considered adult at 18? Why not 17, or 16, or...?? We're really heading towards the hippy mantra "if it feels good do it".
Well, I usually go to visit NR every day and have enjoyed a lot of their articles. I guess I won’t be doing that anymore.
Gay or Gay-leaning = narcissistic = likes attention a bit too much = over-represented in media, (whether media is liberal or “conservative”).
Hope that solves the mystery for you.
The way most laws are now, wives seem to be the ones who get favored in a divorce. In states which have gay marriage, have they reformed divorce laws? They need to recognize that this is not only about marriage, but also about divorce, child custody, etc.
excuse me!? WTF did this jack off just try to say?
Try telling that lie to some of the men on this board who've made mistakes (and some who didn't) and have 1/2 -3/4 of their paycheck confiscated by the damn state to give to their gold digging ex-wives.
excuse me!? WTF did this jack off just try to say?
Try telling that lie to some of the men on this board who've made mistakes (and some who didn't) and have 1/2 -3/4 of their paycheck confiscated by the damn state to give to their gold digging ex-wives.
Would that be his blood pressure he is talking about that would be affected? If his god the State recognized what was underwritten by God, then he would be upset?
The propaganda from the sodomites has reached it’s goal. It is truly disgusting to watch the “evolving” position that the chuckle heads at NR-corner where the fall all over themselves prove how ‘tolerant’ they are in their kowtow compromises. Expect their argument that homosexual rape isn’t based on their perverted sexual deviation and more about dominance to be next.
I to stopped reading NR as a regular stop as well for years now. I believe they have purged all Conservatives and they do despise the TEA party radicals just as much as the friends of the left.
“Conservatives should only read it to know what the opposition thinks” is quite correct.
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