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As Chief of Cherokee Nation, Oklahoma’s delegate is used to meeting with president
Charlotte Observer ^ | 8/10/12

Posted on 08/11/2012 6:03:47 AM PDT by Libloather

As Chief of Cherokee Nation, Oklahoma’s delegate is used to meeting with president
Modified: Friday, Aug. 10, 2012

Cherokee Nation Chief Bill John Baker said of President Barack Obama: “We really appreciate the attitude his administration has placed toward Indian Country.”

Chief Bill John Baker of the Cherokee Nation met with President Barack Obama last month in Washington, D.C., to talk about tribal issues.

**SNIP**

Baker is a fourth-generation Cherokee born and raised in Tahlequah, Okla., the capital of the Cherokee Nation. His great-great-grandmother was brought there in the early 19th century after her parents died on the “Trail of Tears.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cherokee; delegate; oklahoma; warren
I wonder if the Chief has a take on the high cheekboned Faux Squaw.
1 posted on 08/11/2012 6:03:54 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

‘...Baker is a fourth-generation Cherokee born... His great-great-grandmother was brought there in the early 19th century after her parents died on the “Trail of Tears.”’

Another one of those “1/32nd, high-cheekboned” faux-Indian frauds and fakers?

HE’S AN AMERICAN. (Maybe).


2 posted on 08/11/2012 6:13:49 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie and stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill
Another one of those “1/32nd, high-cheekboned” faux-Indian frauds and fakers?

Only a real Indian—as opposed to a Leftist fraud—would have the b***s to use the classic expression "Indian country." He also looks Indian to me—he has light skin, but his features are pretty Oriental-looking.

3 posted on 08/11/2012 6:28:49 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Libloather; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
Re: Cherokee Nation Chief Bill John Baker said of President Barack Obama: “We really appreciate the attitude his administration has placed toward Indian Country.”

When I saw President Obama, I told him from my point of view, Mitt Romney... hasn't a chinaman's chance of beating him this fall!

I said the same thing to Our Great Black Father... when I was last in Washington--

We sharpen our scalping knives and paint our faces... in anticipation of hanging Mitt's and Paul's stylish hair from the lodge pole of our teepee!

4 posted on 08/11/2012 6:31:20 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Libloather

The Indians have been fooled by people in Washington for years, this guy is just another in a long line of Indians that have believed anything coming out of Washington.


5 posted on 08/11/2012 6:34:06 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Libloather

You have to live in OK to see the benefits and freebies that Indian tribes get. It’s always amusing to see some blonde driving a car with tribal license plates. Also, I think Indians are allowed to vote to raise taxes that they don’t pay.

I have a friend who was raised in Tahlequah, and all the kids with Indian ties got “free” school supplies every year, even the children of doctors and lawyers. Meanwhile, the other kids, no matter how poor, did not.

There’s a public service ad that airs frequently during Rush’s show promoting a sweet mortgage deal for Indians, paid for by taxpayers, of course. It’s such a crock.


6 posted on 08/11/2012 6:36:07 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: carriage_hill

alot of us have ancestors that died on the trail of tears.


7 posted on 08/11/2012 6:38:39 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Libloather

WHAT in Sam Hill is a “fourth-generation Cherokee” ???


8 posted on 08/11/2012 6:43:31 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: carriage_hill

One thing is for certain, he is NOT a “ fourth-generation Cherokee.” That is a meaningless identification. Either he is a Cherokee of unknown generations but certainly much more than four or he is no Cherokee at all. His great great grandmother was descended from uncounted generations of Cherokees who came before her. She did not become a Cherokee on the trail of tears or by virtue of arrival in Oklahoma. There is a reason why there is a town in North Carolina named Cherokee. I have been there many times.

I consider that line to be just another example of why I take every news story with a BUCKET of salt. It may seem trivial but if they can’t get the easy stuff right why would I take the rest seriously?


9 posted on 08/11/2012 6:50:32 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Free healthcare is worth FAR LESS than it costs.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
You should get some wisdom, friend. Check to see how much of what you call freebies are really compensation in exchange for the lands, water rights and other rights ceded to the federal government in perpetuity in the Indian treaties. And check to see how many of those blonds are really a quarter-blood or more. And, by the way, the Supreme Court has continued to uphold the treaties, much to the dismay of some foaming-mouth types.
10 posted on 08/11/2012 7:28:48 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: Libloather

The BIA is a horrible joke that has done enormous harm to the Indian tribes, *and* many of the treaties between the US government and the tribes are ridiculous, irrational, filled with gobbledegook that made no sense even when they were written, *and* one of the biggest problems the tribes face today is a *lack* of federal business law allowing corporations to operate on reservation lands.

For this reason, the president needs to convene a permanent Indian Treaty Commission to meet individually and collectively with the tribes, and non-tribal indigenous people including Alaskan Eskimos and Native Hawaiians, to have extensive negotiations leading to the elimination of the BIA, rationalization and modernization of treaties, and the establishment of federal business law on tribal lands so that the tribes can be developed as the tribes see fit.


11 posted on 08/11/2012 7:30:38 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Venturer

A book worth a read

Walking the Trail, by Jerry Ellis

I read it when it first came out and could not put it down....

http://www.amazon.com/Walking-Trail-Journey-along-Cherokee/dp/0803267436/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&qid=1344696897&sr=8-19&keywords=trail+of+tears


12 posted on 08/11/2012 7:59:14 AM PDT by Kimmers (Fair isn't everybody getting the same thing, fair is getting what you need to be successful)
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To: Pining_4_TX
"You have to live in OK to see the benefits and freebies that Indian tribes get. It’s always amusing to see some blonde driving a car with tribal license plates."

Same here in Alaska but more. Having a drop of native blood is the golden ticket for lots of free stuff, money for nothing, and natural resource preferences over your citizen neighbors. 99% of this state is locked up for the use of the feds or natives. We who don't get the free stuff are the true one percenters here. They are a drone voting block that keep returning democratic and republican political prostitutes to DC. When combined with the union thugs they are an unbeatable coalition of takers.

13 posted on 08/11/2012 9:13:04 AM PDT by strongbow
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To: Venturer

If you’d like to see a different kind of Indian— one who identifies himself as an “America Indian Patriot’’, hike on over to Dr. David Yeagleys “Bad Eagle.com’’. This guy HATES Obama and loves America.


14 posted on 08/11/2012 9:15:49 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: carriage_hill
Your bias BS is showing. Tell me why he could not be full blooded Indian and still have his great great grandmothers parents come by the Trail of Tears? If his grandparents were full blood and married full blood he would be full blood. Try to think before you blabber about.
15 posted on 08/11/2012 9:16:02 AM PDT by fish hawk (phobos)
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To: righttackle44
I could care less about the Cherokees and their relation ship with US Govt. I came here to see the bull crap hateful bias that I see on every thread that talks about Indians. Sure enough I am not disappointed, plenty here to go around. Most Indians from all tribes are Liberals and vote Democrat only. Why, the dole and promises (that never get fulfilled). Also I want to point out from experience, that those Indians that hate whites are losers. Tribes are such a low population on a voting block, they can get no legislation passed in their favor. My tribe was smart and got white people behind us, influential people, to write their politicians and through them, got back our hunting and fishing rights.
16 posted on 08/11/2012 9:27:15 AM PDT by fish hawk (phobos)
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To: RipSawyer; dalebert; SamuraiScot

“One thing is for certain, he is NOT a “ fourth-generation Cherokee.” That is a meaningless identification. Either he is a Cherokee of unknown generations but certainly much more than four or he is no Cherokee at all. His great great grandmother was descended from uncounted generations of Cherokees who came before her. She did not become a Cherokee on the trail of tears or by virtue of arrival in Oklahoma. There is a reason why there is a town in North Carolina named Cherokee. I have been there many times.

I consider that line to be just another example of why I take every news story with a BUCKET of salt. It may seem trivial but if they can’t get the easy stuff right why would I take the rest seriously?”

I agree.

Between Ward Churchill, Elizabeth Warren and other liars who claim this and that lineage, it’s hard to separate the truth from the liars anymore. I guess if you “look” like someone or something, that’s enough to claim it. Pretty soon, an Ancestry.com link will be required on everyones’ digital resume or LFBC, just to validate it.

Even the Pathological-Liar-in_Chief, 0bummer, now claims descendancy from the *First American Slave* etc etc etc.

He can claim that crap, but still can’t supply any recent records? Meh.


17 posted on 08/11/2012 9:32:38 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie and stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: jmacusa
Amen. Dr. Yeagley is a real outspoken patriot. I've corresponded with him in the past. He is a college teacher but not sure where right now. Conservative Indians are very rare. I am one also and most of my immediate family although my tribe (Yuroks of N. Calif. Klamath River) has to be at least 95% liberal Democrat.
18 posted on 08/11/2012 9:33:30 AM PDT by fish hawk (phobos)
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To: fish hawk

Read this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2917220/posts?page=9#9

and get back to us.


19 posted on 08/11/2012 9:34:17 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie and stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill
I went to your link but it only took me back to this thread. If you have something to say, just say it. You may be misinterpreting what I stated. I didn't say he was full blooded Indian at all. I said there is no reason he could not be as you implied that he was almost NOT an Indian. Like I said before , engage brain before mouth.
20 posted on 08/11/2012 9:42:50 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: carriage_hill

“get back to us”. LOL am I up against a panel here or do you have a mouse in your pocket?


21 posted on 08/11/2012 9:45:06 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: fish hawk

“I said there is no reason he could not be as you implied that he was almost NOT an Indian. “

I don’t even understand what you wrote, with “no/not/NOT” in the same sentence. English Sentence Composition 101 would help a tad bit...

It’s impossible to prove a negative.


22 posted on 08/11/2012 9:52:00 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie and stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: fish hawk

He teaches at Oklahoma State U. He’s a full-blood Comanche, the area in and round Ft.Sill(Cochise County) is the ancestral home of the Comanche(second largest Indian nation and some tough-ass people). I’ve been corresponding with him for some few years now, he’s a good man. He HATES the hell out of Morris Dees too!


23 posted on 08/11/2012 9:58:08 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Kimmers
Unfortunately, not available in Kindle format.
24 posted on 08/11/2012 10:01:10 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: carriage_hill
Obama tactics here. When you are shown to be wrong so you can't run on that, hit the opponent with what ever you can come up with to try to make him look stupid. So you attack a typo instead of proving me wrong on the subject. Nice try.
25 posted on 08/11/2012 10:04:26 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: carriage_hill
I will correct my statement so you can get back on the subject at hand.

I'll repeat it. I said there is no reason that he could not be (full blooded) as you implied that he was almost NOT an Indian at all. Can you hear me now!!

26 posted on 08/11/2012 10:09:41 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: jmacusa
Do you know what courses he teaches? I would be interested in speaking with him because I am not far from Okie State. By the way I have met some pretty conservative Osages.

Just so everyone knows I am not an Indian. My handle is a combination of my first name, the former color of my hair, and my last name. I did not know it was the name used by by a famous Indian artist until after I began using the handle.

27 posted on 08/11/2012 10:13:15 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: fish hawk
I'm not attacking a typo, and you are certainly not stupid. I never said or implied that. You did. I'm still just trying to figure out ***what you're saying/asking***, so that I can give you an answer. I can't untangle all the no/not/NOTs... can you re-phrase it?

Post #9 said he's not; I never said it in Post #2. Only that there are so many frauds/fakes out there claiming to be Indian, and he doesn't have any of the physical features, that his claim is suspicious, on the surface.

Has he proved his lineage? I assume that if he's carrying the title "Chief", and others aren't calling him a liar like Churchill and Warren, he's proved it?

Yes?

No?

According to Dingy Harry Reid, it 'might be out there' that he's 'possibly' a fraud, so he needs to prove it.

The burden of proof isn't on me; it's on him.

28 posted on 08/11/2012 10:30:53 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: fish hawk

I’ll repeat it.

I said there is no reason that he could not be (full blooded) as you implied that he was almost NOT an Indian at all.

Can you hear me now!!

Yes, I *HEAR* you, but I still don’t understand *WHAT* you’re asking.


29 posted on 08/11/2012 10:35:31 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill
It is very clear too me CH. He is saying there is no reason to assume he is or is not full blood from the article. You implied that he was not from the same article. You used no other source from which you drew that possible conclusion.

Arguing to argue...

30 posted on 08/11/2012 11:34:17 AM PDT by Dust in the Wind (U S Troops Rock)
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To: Dust in the Wind

“...fourth-generation Cherokee born... His great-great-grandmother...”

Difficult, if not impossible, to prove/disprove. Lots of BS room in that claim.

Read Post #9, from someone who knows better than all of us.

I’m done with this semantic, gymnastic silliness.


31 posted on 08/11/2012 11:43:27 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: RipSawyer

I’ve got Cherokee on both sides, seven on the Guion-Miller Rolls, an indian census. A past chief of the Eastern Band, George Hicks, was a third cousin.

I don’t have any idea what “fourth generation Cherokee” means, either. You are or you aren’t. There is no magic tribal fairy that could have waved a wand and made a great grandparent into one, who wasn’t one already. Heck, I don’t even consider myself to be, despite the ancestry. Never lived as one.


32 posted on 08/11/2012 11:59:41 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: carriage_hill
I would say the fourth generation in Oklahoma.

Trail of Tears

In the winter of 1831, under threat of invasion by the U.S. Army, the Choctaw became the first nation to be expelled from its land altogether. They made the journey to Indian territory on foot (some “bound in chains and marched double file,” one historian writes) and without any food, supplies or other help from the government.

In 1836, the federal government drove the Creeks from their land for the last time: 3,500 of the 15,000 Creeks who set out for Oklahoma did not survive the trip.

1838, only about 2,000 Cherokees had left their Georgia homeland for Indian territory. President Martin Van Buren sent General Winfield Scott and 7,000 soldiers to expedite the removal process. Scott and his troops forced the Cherokee into stockades at bayonet point while whites looted their homes and belongings. Then, they marched the Indians more than 1,200 miles to Indian territory. Whooping cough, typhus, dysentery, cholera and starvation were epidemic along the way, and historians estimate that more than 5,000 Cherokee died as a result of the journey.

Doing the math, I don't find it hard to believe he is fourth generation in Oklahoma. We could write books on peoples inability to plug out comprehensive articles, myself included. Have a good day.

33 posted on 08/11/2012 12:10:17 PM PDT by Dust in the Wind (U S Troops Rock)
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To: righttackle44

The Indians alive today are not the same ones who suffered when their lands were taken away many years ago. How long does this compensation last? As for being one-quarter Indian, how about Elizabeth Warren as the poster girl for taking advantage of racial and ethnic preferences? It’s laughable to believe there aren’t people claiming to be Indians who are about as Indian as Warren is.

If they are truly sovereign nations, let them take care of themselves now. The fact that they run casinos where desperate people gamble away their welfare money is another reason to stop the government gravy train for grievances left over from the 19th century.


34 posted on 08/11/2012 12:15:58 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: carriage_hill

all true. It also takes proof of first Indian ancestors homestead to get a roll number now and believe me Indians want to swell the roll number. Just ask their roll number next time someone says they are Indian.


35 posted on 08/11/2012 12:58:34 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Jay Redhawk

Not sure of what courses he teaches. I’d suggest going to his site and registering so you can post and if you look over his home page he has an e-mail address, he’s not hard to get to know although he is fairly busy at times however, as I said he’s an approachable guy. Word to the wise though, Doctor Yeagley ( I don’t generally like to call him’’Doc’’) does NOT tolerate bs, bad language or bad manners on his web-site, all due respect to Free Republic but we do tend to get, er,uh, a little carried away here at times however Bad Eagle.com ain’t Free Republic! So behave.


36 posted on 08/11/2012 8:14:33 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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