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1 posted on 08/14/2012 8:16:28 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
If of interest, some really good comments on this same subject from a thread yesterday.
2 posted on 08/14/2012 8:21:25 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: ckilmer; SunkenCiv

Who killed the Pax Romana?

The Goths, Visigoths, Vandals, Huns and Franks............


3 posted on 08/14/2012 8:24:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: ckilmer; SunkenCiv

GGG heads-up!


4 posted on 08/14/2012 8:26:12 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: expat1000

bump to me


7 posted on 08/14/2012 8:46:55 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: ckilmer
Who Really Killed the Pax Romana?

Bush's Fault©...

10 posted on 08/14/2012 9:09:34 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: ckilmer
535AD is the big year for the end of the world. That's when St. Gildas, on his way back from visiting Rome, saw a scene of devastation in France that was almost unbelievable.

Stone buildings were pulled apart with the pillars and roofs flying up into the sky.

When it was over, just about everybody was dead. A great fiery object flew onward into the Western Sea where it was extinguished.

The Welsh annals of the kings of Britain said that afterward everything died, it got very dry, king Ad's knights rode around looking for the Holy Grail to save them.

So, who is St. Gildas? Well, there are actually two guys with that name, or maybe the stories are about two guys with other names, but fur shur, there are two people and they personally knew King Ad.

We have a series of sermons and speeches by St. Gildas (his name means Cheerful Servant in Sanskrit ~ he lived like a sky-clad Jain missionary). They all preach a doctrine called AHEMSA, or total pacifism in all cases.

It is recorded that King Ad murdered one of Gildas' 20 brothers whereupon Gildas forgave King Ad, embraced him, and lived peacefully with him later on.

Well, neither here nor there about his lifestyle, the guy reported on what seemed to be the End of the World ~ that report has been interpreted as an Anglo-Saxon invasion of Britain ~ except it took place on his way home to Brittany from Rome.

So, let's accept the idea that a large body came near enough to Earth to actually affect local gravity ~ now that's a big body ~ and thank goodness it's not come around again, although maybe it does.

An earlier visit was recorded in Sumer and then rendered into a story about Inkydoo and Gilgamesh (the Moon), and a daughter of Ishtar (Venus). They even left behind a good enough record of their celestial observations that we can match it up to a moonlet that sometimes travels in Earth orbit and other times travels in Venus orbit.

If it came between the Earth and the Moon it might seem almost as large as the Moon. It might disrupt things on Earth's surface with tidal forces ~ maybe plough up the Bosporus and let the Mediterranean flow into the Black Sea (which happened about the same time).

This object probably has a small swarm of moonlets and when it charges past Earth every 6 thousand years or so, some of them probably come free and hit us causing no end of mayhem.

It's interesting there's a layer of silt from 650 ~ a mere 115 years after the first period of devastation.

Bet that was a bummer when Spring and Summer disappeared ~ kind of depopulate everything I'd think ~ people eating animals, burning libraries for heat, tearing down public monuments to build little forts to protect themselves from the hungry wolves, etc.

Could have been a really dark time.

Afterwards you'd had the Arabs on a trip from Petra to Damascus coming back home and telling folks "Hey, bad news, they're gone ~ "

13 posted on 08/14/2012 9:59:24 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ckilmer
535AD is the big year for the end of the world. That's when St. Gildas, on his way back from visiting Rome, saw a scene of devastation in France that was almost unbelievable.

Stone buildings were pulled apart with the pillars and roofs flying up into the sky.

When it was over, just about everybody was dead. A great fiery object flew onward into the Western Sea where it was extinguished.

The Welsh annals of the kings of Britain said that afterward everything died, it got very dry, king Ad's knights rode around looking for the Holy Grail to save them.

So, who is St. Gildas? Well, there are actually two guys with that name, or maybe the stories are about two guys with other names, but fur shur, there are two people and they personally knew King Ad.

We have a series of sermons and speeches by St. Gildas (his name means Cheerful Servant in Sanskrit ~ he lived like a sky-clad Jain missionary). They all preach a doctrine called AHEMSA, or total pacifism in all cases.

It is recorded that King Ad murdered one of Gildas' 20 brothers whereupon Gildas forgave King Ad, embraced him, and lived peacefully with him later on.

Well, neither here nor there about his lifestyle, the guy reported on what seemed to be the End of the World ~ that report has been interpreted as an Anglo-Saxon invasion of Britain ~ except it took place on his way home to Brittany from Rome.

So, let's accept the idea that a large body came near enough to Earth to actually affect local gravity ~ now that's a big body ~ and thank goodness it's not come around again, although maybe it does.

An earlier visit was recorded in Sumer and then rendered into a story about Inkydoo and Gilgamesh (the Moon), and a daughter of Ishtar (Venus). They even left behind a good enough record of their celestial observations that we can match it up to a moonlet that sometimes travels in Earth orbit and other times travels in Venus orbit.

If it came between the Earth and the Moon it might seem almost as large as the Moon. It might disrupt things on Earth's surface with tidal forces ~ maybe plough up the Bosporus and let the Mediterranean flow into the Black Sea (which happened about the same time).

This object probably has a small swarm of moonlets and when it charges past Earth every 6 thousand years or so, some of them probably come free and hit us causing no end of mayhem.

It's interesting there's a layer of silt from 650 ~ a mere 115 years after the first period of devastation.

Bet that was a bummer when Spring and Summer disappeared ~ kind of depopulate everything I'd think ~ people eating animals, burning libraries for heat, tearing down public monuments to build little forts to protect themselves from the hungry wolves, etc.

Could have been a really dark time.

Afterwards you'd had the Arabs on a trip from Petra to Damascus coming back home and telling folks "Hey, bad news, they're gone ~ "

14 posted on 08/14/2012 9:59:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ckilmer
An alternative hypothesis, which should concern all of us. Contains an interesting vignette on Easter Island.

Dirt: The Erosion of Civilizations

17 posted on 08/14/2012 1:05:20 PM PDT by pa_dweller (Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves:... Isa 1:23)
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