Skip to comments.Scouts need to hear support for their gay policy, leader says
Posted on 08/14/2012 7:56:57 PM PDT by Graybeard58
IRVING, Texas (BP) -- With 100-plus degree temperatures outside the Boy Scouts of America Museum, the sweating, 7-year-old Cruz Burns couldn't come up with an answer as to why his mom was holding a press conference.
"Is all this stuff the adults are talking about just weird?" the journalist asked the Tiger Cub Scout, while 32-year-old Jennifer Tyrrell continued to make her case for allowing homosexuals to serve in Boy Scouts leadership.
Staring at the ground, tugging at the scarf of his uniform, the little boy nodded, "Yeah."
Burns' participation in an Ohio Cub Scout pack was short-lived. His mother, a lesbian, pulled him from the unit after she was dismissed as its den mother after seven months of service. The local leader who enlisted Tyrrell ignored the long-standing policy that prohibits homosexuals from official roles, telling her instead that it would be fine, Tyrrell said.
But after someone complained to the next level of leadership, the pack was asked to comply with Boy Scouts of America (BSA) standards and removed Tyrrell from her post. Homosexual parents may accompany their kids to scout meetings or show support, but the leadership limitation stands, the BSA said, recognizing that many parents do not want their children led by homosexuals in an organization that promotes character qualities often associated with Judeo-Christian principles.
"The Boy Scouts of America treats everyone with courtesy and respect," BSA spokesperson Deron Smith said, after giving Tyrrell about half an hour to speak with scout officials in the July meeting.
"Today, representatives from the BSA accepted an online petition from Jennifer Tyrrell and her family," he said, noting it was the second time the Ohio woman had delivered petitions to the 102-year-old organization. "The BSA values the freedom of everyone to express their opinion and believes to disagree does not mean to disrespect."
A few protesters standing on the edge of BSA property argued for Christian family values. Long-time Southern Baptist Scout R. Chip Turner of Fort Worth, Texas, wasn't surprised by the small show of support for the BSA. He serves as chairman of BSA religious relationships.
"Opponents to these policies are relentless and highly vocal," Turner said. "Unfortunately, the silent majority remains largely unheard."
The U.S. Supreme Court in June 2000 upheld the Scouts' membership policy as constitutional.
Tyrrell praised BSA as "a huge cultural institution in America.
"It just has this one policy that is outdated and needs to be changed," she said. "... Really, as a parent, we just want to be involved in our kids' lives. He shouldn't have to live with this."
Independent Baptists from Mansfield, Texas, hoisted signs applauding the BSA decision as "a stand for biblical morality" and "that which is normal." Joined by three laymen from his church, pastor Joey Faust spoke of another organization with Christian roots, recalling the influence of the YMCA on his own life as he received "a good, moral foundation" as a camper and later as a counselor.
Whether the YMCA remains as committed to those foundational principles as do the scouts Faust couldn't say. For now, his concern is for the Boy Scouts of America to remain true to its convictions.
Turner, past national president of the Association of Baptists for Scouting, hopes Southern Baptist churches and members will send statements to BSA affirming the group's moral and ethical commitments.
"The Boy Scouts of America remain committed to the moral and ethical standards which have been affirmed several times in Southern Baptist Convention resolutions," he said. "Scouting remains one of the finest evangelism, family ministry and religious education tools available for established churches as well as new church plants. Scouts and their families involved in the religious emblems program are often reached for Christ and it is not uncommon for youth participants to clarify their calling to vocational ministry."
Probably more worried about federal government defaulting at this point.
The Boy Scouts of America should not become a recruitment tool for the homosexual community. The fairies should stick to their “gay bars” and let America’s boys have the forests. Didn’t we learn a damn thing from the Sandusky fiasco?
No father and a lesbian mother who is willing to use him as a prop for political points.
All the counseling in the world isn't going to give him his childhood back.
What authority does he have over the Boy Scouts?
The POTUS is the titular head of the Boy Scouts.
I'd like to know what Romney thinks on the matter of queers serving as scout leaders.
“Probably more worried about federal government defaulting at this point.”
They’ll just print more rubles - I mean dollars - to make up the lack. Quantitative glasnost or something.
An “online petition”. ROTFL! “Online petitions” are way overrated.
I went to facebook to post my support for the Boyscouts standing up for what is right. The pro-homosexuals have taken over. It is so sad to see them do this to the BOY SCOUTS. Here is three postings:
Seth Deanposted toBoyscouts of America
July 19 near Denver, CO
“The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law.”
Can someone please explain to me how discriminating and hating is a ethically and morally right decision? If that’s what the BSA truly believes in, then I am shocked. You’ve fooled soooo many people for such a long time. Discimination is not ok. Hate is not ok. And there is no “GOD” that will ever tell you that it is.
Scott Rainwaterposted toBoyscouts of America
July 19 near Seattle, WA
Is bigotry a core value for a scout to develop character? You can never change the true nature of an individual. Most are simply trying to participate in society as equals without malice. Excluding fellow human beings for being different is an elitist, bigoted, and self riotous act. By choosing to behave this way you are labeling yourself as such. Either you are a bigot, elitist and intolerant person or you are not. There’s no conditional argument to justify such behavior.
Sarah Lundquistposted toBoyscouts of America
I’m really getting tired of all these biblical explanations as to why homosexuality and gay marriage is wrong. The bible was created and written by man, not god, marriage was created before christianity and was for the sole purpose of property exchange, and how on earth does a gay marriage effect straight marriages and divorce rates? I’m perfectly fine with people not accepting or believing that a...See More
About as meaningful as on line polls.
Can someone give me an answer to my question at #2?
give me a mo
You are correct, titular - in title only. The Boy Scouts will tell him to pound sand.
What's Romney's position on queer boy scout leaders? Anybody know?A campaign assistant for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney confirmed that the former Massachusetts governor's opposition to the Boy Scouts' ban on homosexual leaders, which he publicly expressed in 1994, still stands. According to the Deseret News, Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul told the Associated Press that Romney is still holding to the political stand he adopted nearly 20 years ago when he said during an unsuccessful run for Ted Kennedy's U.S. Senate that while he supported the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue, he also felt that all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation. --Link
here ya go
I thought that was probably the case but wasn't certain. Thanks for the info.
In 1994 Willard was on the board of the Boy Scouts of America...
That link is the 1994 debate with Ted K
Not very effective in changing the policies of groups with core values is he?
Yes, Romney stands firmly behind the queer boy scout leaders.
Back when he was working on the Salt Lake Olympics, he was also a board member of the national Boy Scouts of America. He expressed his belief that everyone including gay children and adults, should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts. Although he said the BSA had a right to decide for itself.
He then banned the Boy Scouts from working on the Olympics which was the first time they had ever been restricted from serving at the Olympic games in the US.
He recently reiterated his previous stand. He is for both queer adults as leaders and queer boys as participants.
Because that's the most pressing issue whether to vote for Romney or the dog eating communist Obama. Obama will be glad to get your vote, and the progressives will thank you for helping them destroy the country.
There’s a gay boy scout group called “Scouting For All”:
And he now is the standard bearer of the "conservative" party.
I never thought I would see this in my lifetime.
Romney: The Boy Scouts should admit homosexuals
Mitt Romney stands by a 1994 statement that the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) should admit homosexuals to the organization, as members or adult supervisors, according to a campaign spokesperson.
During a 1994 debate with Ted Kennedy, Romney said, I support the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue. I feel that all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.
Campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul confirmed that Mitt Romney continues to hold that belief today. (snip)
Here are some websites with info:
Why can’t they just start the queer scouts???
I am a boy scout.. (well.. an old one now) They had better stand up to this as they have been doing for a while now.
This must be the definition of cruel & unusual punishment.
I love these "free thinkers"! First of all, we discriminate all the time--in the things we buy, the friends we hang out with, the neighborhood we choose to live in, etc. It's generally called "common sense". Secondly, if you're going to define God, doesn't that make you God? If so, why don't you just plague us "haters" with some locusts or something...?
Here she is giving the Hitler salute in a Queer Pride parade with openly queer Star Trek actor George Takei. She's a bull dyke.
Hmmm, I’m a bit on the fence here.
Glad they keep the fags out, but cannot support their intolerance of Atheist.
Was a member way back when, but boycott them now as I have come to have my own values and belief’s which they discriminate against.
Seems they do not really support freedom OF religion if they do not accept freedom FROM religion as a valid right.
Just like a lot of Freepers! ;-)
If the gay agenda is accepted the first ones filing a lawsuits will be the liberal parents when a gay father helps their kid pull up their pants on a campout!
It is bad enough having homosexual leaders and boys in the Boy Scouts..but to have ones who are acknowledge is even worse.
How do you assign who sleeps in what tent? Do you dare put younger boys with an acknowledge homosexual patrol leader?
I had trouble with homo leaders when I was a scout and trouble with homo kids when I was a scout master. Once you identified them..they had to be excluded..because you couldn’t trust them not to victimize the younger boys. Person experience colors my opinion.
I love how Terrell wants to destroy the culture of an organization she calls a “cultural institution” by changing one “little outdated policy”. Change that policy to approve of homosexuality and there goes your God-based scouting core and structure. The fall would be swift and dramatic as soon as the Boy Scouts allow homosexuals.
I fear they will succumb to the pressure sooner than later, and that will be it.
The way the USA has been going, the Boy Scouts is one of the only places left that instills noble core values in young men. And THAT is why the communists need to destroy it by insisting on getting the homosexual camel’s nose in the tent. They will never quit this fight.
Same here. Two to be exact, and both ended up going to prison later for child molestation. "But for the grace of God" I said after finding out.
Would God honor someone determined to leave Him out of our national debate by sparing our country simply because voters preferred him over similarly "godless" Barack Obama?...I don't think Mr. Stone (who has written a great deal on this topic) plans on voting the Romney/Ryan ticket in November. :)
Mitt has done literally nothing to lead out this election...in turning our morally-declining nation back to God, or toward increased faith in Him and His biblical teachings and promises... [but instead] toward the materialistic values at the heart of Marxist socialism the notion that all important things come down to "economics," and to socialistic, forcible solutions to mankind's most basic ills...
To vote for Mitt is to assent to such a far-reaching, unconscionably evil deed as he committed by singlehandedly establishing gay marriage, as though it were nothing of consequence, when in reality it is arguably the most wicked and destructive discretionary action ever taken by an elected official in our nation's 230-year history undermining the stability, and continuance, of Western Civilization itself. --Steve Stone, editor (and former LDS member), RenewAmerica
Freedom FROM religion? Valid right?!
What other "rights" does your crystal ball find in the Constitution?
Godless atheists are lower even than fags.
Yea, and I want to go to the local Synagogue and administer Holly Communion. /s
You talk just like a liberal, troll.
Study the homosexual who founded the Boy Scouts in Germany-—he used the forest for his orgies with the boys-—their groups morphed into the Hitler Youth with rise of the Nazis.
Hitler put his pederast buddies as head of the Hitler Youth to bring boys for his homosexual orgies with the SA Brownshirts.
Satanic/occultists are homosexuals and they always use boys-—target the boys-—they have to recruit and corrupt the boys while forming their sexual identity and morality. Besides, they are perverted-—fixated in an immature stage when they were molested and abused.
Read Pink Swastika for their game plan or listen to Ann Barnhardt who also lays out their plan. Harry Hays was a Communist (who founded the homosexual movement in the US—he was sodomized by a sailor when he was 11 (and he liked it) and he backed NAMBLA—as did H. Milk. They want the boys-—like Sandusky-—who was probably in a homosexual sex ring also—they say he took plane trips (now) with “donor” of the Second Mile and they were raping boys on the plane.
Hollywood Producers raped the two Corey actors when they were boys—Corey Feldmen stated that Hollywood was made up of a bunch of pedophiles. Hollywood is sexualizing children-—been pushing homosexuality as “normal” and “genetic” (lies) since Will and Grace and they WANT the boys. Jerry Brown now is implementing Sex Ed to teach Kindergarteners about anal sex now. This will corrupt their innocence and put perverse ideas into their young heads. It will destroy any Christian Ethics in the home and undermine father son relationships (which is their hope). Boys with no fathers are easy marks because they yearn for a father-figure and that attention that they so desperately need to become a mature man.
This “lifestyle” has been going on in all societies and only condemned by the Jews and then the Christians. Everyone needs to study this issue. Pederasty is normal in Afghanistan and other countries.
The topic is UGLY, I know-—I raised four boys and had to be really up on this issue-—ran into some homosexuals (because they were lauded in our culture and “special” because they indulge in “sodomy”/Vice (how rational is that????) But, he ended up in San Quentin.
The “trick” is to have young children exposed to men kissing and other obscene ideas-—so it is normalized. Children accept “normal” and “good” by what the culture portrays as “normal” and “good”. It is why slavery took generations to get rid of the idea it was good. Read the comments below this video....it is all disturbing-—but they want to normalize this behavior to make the muslims feel comfortable and be islam to be legal—all aspects-— when Sharia comes to the US—(oh, it is already here).
EVeryone in Boy Scouts should have to WATCH this video and any “Man” that wants to allow ANY homosexual near the boys (even boys)-—is evil. Really EVIL. Boys are trained and seduced.
Why don't they?
As predictable as clock-work!
Are you all espousing the SAME state religion?
Will you divide the country be religious region or state?
You display the tolerance level of the taliban, complete with insults and personal attacks.
So much for the free exchange of ideas.
If we do not have a right to free from religion, we de-facto have a state religion, it’s just not been formally announced yet.
When do the pogroms against the atheist and unrecognized religions begin?
Will they be a surprise, or announced here first?
Hypocrisy runs rampant tonight.
Glad to see that you don't either.........
That's the VERY FIRST line of the Constitution. So how are these sentences from you possible:
If we do not have a right to free from religion, we de-facto have a state religion, its just not been formally announced yet. When do the pogroms against the atheist and unrecognized religions begin? Will they be a surprise, or announced here first?
What is it you hate more: God or our Constitution?
Yes, first amendment CLEARLY states the prohibition against enactment of a state religion.
If that does not allow and tolerate NO religion, it becomes meaningless as I stated!
I’ve been informed that my strong support for the constitution IS my religion, weather I agree or not.
As “Everyone has a religion, it’s whatever you are most passionate about”.
Will the person who told me that also be persecuted by the Theocracy wing of the “conservative” party?
I always figure those who are so very intolerant of atheism must be insecure in their own belief’s, so have to trumpet them all the louder to reassure themselves.
I don’t hate “God”, that would be irrational, like “hating” the easter bunny or unicorns . (They are fictional too, just in case you did not know)