More Fluctuations Found in Isotopic Clocks

Institute for Creation Research ^ | 8-17-2012 | Brian Thomas

[Puckster]

“Creationists oppose not just evolution, but also geology, physics, paleontology, astronomy and any other branch of science that refuses to stick with their useless precepts.”

This is a very grand assumption. Creationists have questioned, as skeptical scientists, the foundation of radio carbon dating....I’d say they are ahead of the learning curve.

[YHAOS]

Here we go.

[commonguymd]

Maybe I am really not as old as I feel. I hope not.

[allmendream]

Oh? Are you a mind reader now? It isn’t about me it is about science being useful and creationism being useless. It isn’t about me being “married” to evolution, it is about scientists needing an actual useful scientific explanation - and creationism is of no use.

[MrB]

How many times per week do you light candles, turn the lights out, sit cross-legged with your thumb and forefinger together and chant

“creationism is useless... creationism is useless...”

[Zeneta]

Well, evolution does in fact use an a priori insistence on a particular time table.

Saying that Creationists “oppose” these other branches of science is just silly. It’s like saying someone doesn’t believe in microwave ovens because they don’t use one.

I think, actually I know, you will find the mature Creationist is substantially more intellectually curious and more honest in their quest for the truth than an evolutionist that has been forced to fit his data into a socially acceptable model.

BTW, these are credentialed and highly intelligent Creationists.

[tacticalogic]

These two side-by-side statements, alone, suffice to seriously degrade this article's credibility in my eyes. In fact, I'd say that the article is deliberately trying to misrepresent the facts and thus awaken doubts.

Theological deceit is an ugly thing.

[Moonman62]

Once again scientists take steps to achieve better accuracy, and the creationists attack them for it.

[fishtank]

The golden “proof” for an old universe just went out the window.

You say, “The world is not 6,000 or so years old.”

I say, “Prove it.”

You can’t prove it now.

The universe as we know it has changed.

I told one of my students today that we are witnessing a bigger change in our perception of physics than even the discovery of radiation itself.

All of nuclear physics has been turned upside down with this news of a non-constant nuclear decay rate.

Just FYI, I have a BS and MS in Nuclear Engineering and a PhD in Mechanical Engineering. That in itself doesn’t mean that I am correct, it just means that I have a small amount of education.

[allmendream]

The more educated someone is the less likely they are to be a creationist.

Biologists use the timetable developed by physicists and geologists and that is based on evidence and is subject to refinement as new evidence comes in.

This article has to do with creationism trying to rewrite physics because it doesn’t agree with their timetable.

[fishtank]

Radiometric Dating - Click here for the list of Evidence for Creation Topics

[fishtank]

http://www.examiner.com/article/growing-list-of-scientists-who-consider-young-earth-creationism-yec-a-fact-and-evolution-as-bunk

Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr. Kevin Anderson, Microbiology - Biography
Mark Armitage, Biology - Biography
Alexander Arndt (analytical chemist, etc.) [more info]
Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
Francis Bacon (developed the Scientific Method)
Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Thomas G. Barnes (physicist) [more info]
Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Arthur V. Chadwick (geologist) [more info]
Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Bob Compton, DVM
Melvin Alonzo Cook (physical chemist, Nobel Prize nominee) [more info]
Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research
Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
Dr. André Eggen, Geneticist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Robert V. Gentry (physicist and chemist) [more info]
Dr. Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr. Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr. Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr. Warwick Glover, General Surgeon
Dr. D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
John Grebe (chemist) [more info]
Dr. George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr. Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr. Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr. Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr. Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr. George F. Howe, Botany
Dr. James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
D. Russell Humphreys (award-winning physicist) [more info]
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr. Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr. David Kaufman, Human Anatomy - Biography
John W. Klotz (geneticist and biologist) [more info]
Leonid Korochkin (geneticist) [more info]
Dr. John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Lane P. Lester (geneticist and biologist) [more info]
Dr. Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr. Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
Dr. John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Frank L. Marsh (biologist) [more info]
Dr. George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr. Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr. David Menton, Anatomist
Dr. Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. John Meyer, Physiologist
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr. Tommy Mitchell, Physician
Dr. John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr. Henry M. Morris (1918–2006), founder of the Institute for Creation Research.
Dr. Arlton C. Murray, Paleontologist
Dr. John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr. Terry Mortenson, History of Geology
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Isaac Newton (helped develop science of dynamics and the discipline of calculus / father of the Law of Gravity / invented the reflecting telescope) - See also a refutation of the argument Newton was a creationist only because there was no alternative)
Dr. Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Michael Oard, Atmospheric Science - Biography
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Gary E. Parker (biologist and paleontologist) [more info]
Louis Pasteur (helped develop science of bacteriology / discovered the Law of Biogenesis / invented fermentation control / developed vaccinations and immunizations)
Dr. Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr. John Rankin, Cosmologist
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr. Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr. Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Dr. Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr. Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Charles B. Thaxton (chemist) [more info]
Dr. Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
William Thompson (Lord Kelvin) (helped develop sciences of thermodynamics and energetics / invented the Absolute Temperature Scale / developed the Trans-Atlantic Cable)
Dr. Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr. Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Leonardo da Vinci (helped develop science of hydraulics)
Dr. Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr. Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr. A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr. John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
A.E. Wilder-Smith (chemist and pharmacology expert) [more info]
Dr. Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Dr. Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology

[tacticalogic]

All of nuclear physics has been turned upside down with this news of a non-constant nuclear decay rate.

All of nuclear physics? Upside down, you say? Strangely quiet for being upside down, they are.

[Zeneta]

That’s just the folks that are not afraid to go public !!

Many many more, know that their funding or tenure will end if they express what they know.

The tipping point is coming very soon.

[fishtank]

Yep, yep, yep.

[grey_whiskers]

Creationism is useless to science. There is a reason why companies who want profit hire scientists not creationists. Because science is useful.

Especially globull warming science, eh?

Cheers!

[longtermmemmory]

globull warming, as you spell, is a political statement not science. When exposed to the true scientific method it collapses faster than algore’s iq test.

[tacticalogic]

That’s just the folks that are not afraid to go public !!

Many many more, know that their funding or tenure will end if they express what they know.

I'm sure Isaac Newton took quite a risk publicly disagreeing with radiometric dating.

[Zeneta]

Oh brother, where art thou ?

First things first, since you opened this line of discussion.

Newton, was never under threat for his beliefs.

Galileo, on the other hand was, however he still maintained his faith and certainly has been vindicated.

A mature Creationist will readily admit the mistakes of a dogmatic church over the centuries. The church of Darwinism by contrast,exercises it’s dogmatism through an entirely different process.

At the end of the day you, if you even bother to do some research, will find the Creationist community of scientists adhering to a standard of scientific rigor that an evolutionist only wished were present.

Here’s the deal.

If it were proven, beyond all doubt, all over the media etc....

That the Earth was no more than..say 10,000 years old.

Would that make any difference in your worldview ?

[hosepipe]

Ah! time I like time discussions... big issue time..

Lineal time may just be an illusion or even an allusion..
If eternity future is possible Occams Razor demands an eternity past..
If so, so much for the Big Bang!..

The Big Bang is a good yarn... no way to prove any of that.. (for sure)..
But it is very entertaining..

Multi-dimensions even Multi-Universes plays into all that..
Even multi-GoDs or no God at all... all extremely entertaining..

Science fiction must be logical and entertaining else whats the point..
Reality however need not be logical at all....
And I don’t see how time must be linear...