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Book: Sandusky report terms incomprehensible to Paterno
CBS Sports ^ | August 17, 2012

Posted on 08/18/2012 5:29:01 AM PDT by Zakeet

Joe Paterno had to be prodded by his family to read the grand jury report regarding Jerry Sandusky and did not understand some of its graphic terminology, according to a new book.

The book, Paterno by Joe Posnanski, was purchased Friday by the Associated Press in advance of its release next week.

In the book, Posnanski describes a scene at Paterno's home, two days after Sandusky had been charged with child sex abuse last November. Paterno's family and a close adviser were trying to explain to the Penn State coach that there was a growing sentiment Paterno must have known for years about the accusations against Sandusky.

The book quotes Paterno as shouting "I'm not omniscient!"

The book also indicates Paterno didn't comprehend all the terms in the report, asking his son what sodomy meant.

According to the book, later that night Paterno's son, Scott, told his mother that she should brace herself for the possibility that Joe could be fired.

Sue Paterno responded, "Scotty, that will kill him."

Paterno was fired by school trustees two days later, on Nov. 9. He died in January at age 85 of cancer.

Sandusky, Paterno's longtime defensive coordinator, is jailed and awaiting sentencing after being convicted in June on 45 criminal counts involving 10 boys.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbssports.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: absolutemorals; bookreview; homosexualagenda; paterno; pennstate; sandusky
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I'm not omniscient ... in fact, I don't even know what the term sodomy means!

1 posted on 08/18/2012 5:29:13 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

No ill will towards Posnanski (I loved his book on the Big Red Machine) but his original plan was to ape ‘When Pride Still Mattered’ (Maraniss’ biography of Lombardi) and write a fairly hegemonic Paterno bio. In the middle of all that the Sandusky story exploded and Posnanski, while living a journalist’s dream in terms of being at the nexus of a story, had to abandon the Kindly Old Joe storyline in favor of the sordid truth.


2 posted on 08/18/2012 5:35:04 AM PDT by relictele
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To: Zakeet

I always assumed the creeps actions were never clearly explained to coach since the staff was in
Awe of the coach and just not capable of telling this dignified old gentleman the real facts here .


3 posted on 08/18/2012 5:36:32 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: Zakeet

Is it possible that a person could be so wrapped up in a sport like football while leading a conservative family-oriented life, that he wouldn’t comprehend what was going on with Sandusky and little boys?


4 posted on 08/18/2012 5:36:39 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Zakeet

And if you believe that Paterno did not know what sodomy meant, I have a bridge I would like to sell you.


5 posted on 08/18/2012 5:40:38 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SatinDoll

No. Not in today’s world.


6 posted on 08/18/2012 5:44:02 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: SVTCobra03

WHO MADE YOU THE EXPERT ON PATERNO ?

You sound like a lib with that comment.

The guy was 86 and from a completely different era.


7 posted on 08/18/2012 5:44:54 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: SVTCobra03

Paternos Big Obama supporters, shock.


8 posted on 08/18/2012 5:45:12 AM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: SVTCobra03

Ihave some used toll booths you can put at the bridge.


9 posted on 08/18/2012 5:45:52 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: SatinDoll
...leading a conservative family-oriented life...

I think leading a conservative family-oriented life would require an understanding of the evils out there and the necessity to protect children from them

It is naive to think this man did not know what sodomy is. The standard locker room language would have made him plenty aware of all nature of behavioral descriptions.

10 posted on 08/18/2012 5:46:25 AM PDT by Never on my watch (I can see November from the Chick-Fil-A drive through lane.)
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To: SatinDoll

Had he never heard of child sexual abuse, of child sexual predators?

Pedophiles? Pedophile priests, for example?

He could have lived his entire life with blinders on, I suppose, when it comes to anything he didn’t want to know about.

But someone please tell me, how do you not know that there are people out there who sexually abuse children and that both girls and boys are victims of it?

The publicity of what happened in some quarters in the Catholic church, if nothing else got through to you, would scream to you that such things do exist.

I’m thinking it’s partly his sheltered life, or self-imposed ignorance, but that it’s MORE he did not want to admit the truth about Sandusky, so his mind refused to “go there”.


11 posted on 08/18/2012 5:48:15 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: SatinDoll
Entirely possible. It is also possible that the gay friendly atmosphere carefully constructed by PSU President Graham Spanier and other gay mafia allies had even Paterno so intimidated that they durst not speak out as loudly as they should have. Remember, a woman's basketball coach got canned just for stating she didn't want lesbians on the team.

The same gay mafia wants to make this whole sorry series of incidents about PSU's football program to take the focus on what it should be about: the gay mafia takeover of a once highly respectable state university. Sandusky is only the tip of the iceberg.

12 posted on 08/18/2012 5:50:04 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SatinDoll

It’s possible, but that sort of reasoning could “forgive” a lot of leaders who had this sort of scandal on their watch. For example, “Is it possible that a person could be so wrapped up in running an archdiocese while leading a conservative celibate life that he wouldn’t comprehend what was going on with the Father xxx and the little boys?”


13 posted on 08/18/2012 5:50:48 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: ncalburt
They knew what sodomy was in his day as well.

Also, grown men showering with boys was frowned upon.

14 posted on 08/18/2012 5:52:16 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: ncalburt

Since Curley and Schultz were going to report Sandusky back in ‘98, and then Curley changed his mind after talking to Paterno, I have a hard time believing Paterno was that naive.


15 posted on 08/18/2012 5:52:42 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: FES0844

Paterno was 85 when he died, and subsumed by football.

He didn’t live in the real world, much less “today’s world”.

Thirty-two years ago I attended the Defense Language Institute, Presidio of Monterey, in California. I was in the U.S.Navy and stationed there between July 1980 - October 1981.

Later, I would discover that the enitre time I was there the Senior Chief in charge at the Navy barracks was soliciting sex from female recruits. I was totally oblivious to what was going on! It wasn’t until a couple years later that I read about it all while stationed overseas.


16 posted on 08/18/2012 5:52:57 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Never on my watch

There was a time and place where sodomy was not discussed at all. Where the concept of ‘rape’ wrt men-men, was not understood....even in a locker room. We have become so desensitized that we forget.


17 posted on 08/18/2012 5:56:45 AM PDT by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: SatinDoll
Is it possible that a person could be so wrapped up in a sport like football while leading a conservative family-oriented life, that he wouldn’t comprehend what was going on with Sandusky and little boys?

Not if you read Free Republic.

I'm torn by this, though.

On the one hand, to keep such crimes out of your head, to not imagine that anyone could do such things, to avoid thinking of buggering a 9-year-old, seems honorable.

On the other hand, it's naive. But it's only naive, if you read the papers and understand that people actually do these things.

18 posted on 08/18/2012 5:57:07 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SatinDoll

Unless you were in charge of the Defense Language Institute (very cool place BTW) with the authority to determine who worked there for 30+ years, the analogy does not hold up.


19 posted on 08/18/2012 5:58:02 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: SatinDoll

Paterno was operating on a big stage but in a very small world. Likely a circle of coaches, high level administrators and donors. Zero chance he didn’t know - especially when the acts were being committed by a close confidant in the facility where they both worked.

It’s a shame that Paterno isn’t in prison with his pal Sandusky.


20 posted on 08/18/2012 5:58:18 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: SatinDoll
Later, I would discover that the entire time I was there the Senior Chief in charge at the Navy barracks was soliciting sex from female recruits. I was totally oblivious to what was going on!

Since you were a student it is understandable that you would be unaware, particularly since those in some power had an interest in hiding it.

But to make the analogy work here, you would have had to be the Chief's supervisor or base commander. In those cases, it is a part of their responsibility and training to look out for this and to PROTECT the students.

21 posted on 08/18/2012 6:00:34 AM PDT by Never on my watch (I can see November from the Chick-Fil-A drive through lane.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Paterno won his first game against the University of Soddom and Gamorah. This scandal doesn’t involve some new-fangled “terminology” or acts.


22 posted on 08/18/2012 6:01:29 AM PDT by sbMKE
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To: firebasecody
There was a time and place where sodomy was not discussed at all.

Was that before biblical times?

23 posted on 08/18/2012 6:02:16 AM PDT by Never on my watch (I can see November from the Chick-Fil-A drive through lane.)
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To: SatinDoll

No. Sorry.


24 posted on 08/18/2012 6:03:14 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Izzy Dunne
But it's only naive, if you read the papers and understand that people actually do these things.

What about that assistant coach who says he told Paterno about the shower incident? Paterno did nothing about it. That's not naive, that's willful ignorance in order to protect a friend at the expense of young boys.

Paterno's lucky he died. He had a LOT coming down on him due to his inaction and protection of Sandusky.

25 posted on 08/18/2012 6:05:07 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: SVTCobra03
And if you believe that Paterno did not know what sodomy meant, I have a bridge I would like to sell you.

the term might have escaped him...but I am sure he heard of ‘buggery’, ‘bone smuggling’, or butt f******.

just because he never new the exact meaning of a word (biblically, sodomy means a plethora of perversions)did not mean that Joe Pa was some sort of blank slate with no knowledge of worldly things.

26 posted on 08/18/2012 6:15:10 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: scrabblehack

I suspect Paterno was such a powerful intimidating figure and getting up their in age that no one wanted to confront the guy and put their career in jeopardy I suspect the coaching staff were concerned about their career path that they knew enough about Paterno to not rock the boat and hope for the best. I am just guessing their was a deep denial factor too that someone from his era like to be exist in.


27 posted on 08/18/2012 6:17:03 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: Future Snake Eater

And we can expect another report about alumni who were with Sandusky assaulting boys on planes. This isn’t over.


28 posted on 08/18/2012 6:18:55 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Remember, Obama said he's only 60% done with his agenda.)
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To: ncalburt
Soooo, we are expected to believe that Paterno coached men's football for what, five or six decades at a major university and never heard homosexual terms and words - and never was inquisitive enough to ask their meaning? I suggest that Paterno was either dumb as a sack of hammers or was lying - maybe both....
29 posted on 08/18/2012 6:19:59 AM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: Zakeet

Perhaps Paterno should not have been allowed to run the Penn St. football program with his obviously diminished mental faculties. The administration was such a bunch of weenies when it came to Paterno and let him run all over them.


30 posted on 08/18/2012 6:20:23 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Zakeet
The book also details the long and frosty relationship Paterno had with Sandusky while they worked together at Penn State.

Ooops -- there goes one of the lynchpins of the hate Paterno crowd.

31 posted on 08/18/2012 6:21:30 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

They didn’t exactly “work together.” Paterno was the boss and could have fired him.


32 posted on 08/18/2012 6:23:52 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: Zakeet
Well, no other defense has worked for the JoPologists, so the “I never heard crude locker room jokes in sixty five years of football, and am too stupid to understand them anyway” defense is the only thing they haven't tried.

Pretty pathetic.

Both that they would try it, and the man they are trying it for.

33 posted on 08/18/2012 6:26:44 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
What about that assistant coach who says he told Paterno about the shower incident?

Yeah, that's bad. I can believe that somebody could fail to comprehend that people could do such things. It's hard to believe that he failed to follow up, though.

34 posted on 08/18/2012 6:28:24 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Zakeet

I don’t if he did not know about screwing young men up the .... Joe was responsible for what happens in his team. That is why you get the big bucks.


35 posted on 08/18/2012 6:28:44 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: SatinDoll
I had a similar experience at a old job.
I don't think any of these coaches who were at PS as a stepping stone to the NFL wanted to rock the boat with the legend Paterno by talking about Sandusky . They assumed it was being taken care of and best not get involved.
36 posted on 08/18/2012 6:30:01 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: scrabblehack
Since Curley and Schultz were going to report Sandusky back in ‘98, and then Curley changed his mind after talking to Paterno, I have a hard time believing Paterno was that naive.

Never happened. Sandusky was being investigated by the Department of Public Welfare in 1998 but the investigation was suspiciously cut short and brought to an end for no apparent reason, even though the DPW was aware of five more kids involved.

Curley did change his mind apparently in 2001, but that was after talking to Sandusky's charity CEO -- child psychologist Dr Jack Raykovitz.

37 posted on 08/18/2012 6:30:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: snoringbear
The guy was probably living in a bubble by 1998 .
He was in his 70’s and considered a living legend at PSU.
No male coach was going to race off and have a blunt confrontation with the campus legend and screw up there career.
As for the guy who said he told the coach well Paterno is dead so its real convenient.
38 posted on 08/18/2012 6:38:19 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: perez24
Your dispute is with the author. Those are his words not mine.

That being said, for what reason should he have fired him??? He was a tenured professor of PE. He did in fact though encourage him to take early retirement which he did.

39 posted on 08/18/2012 6:43:33 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: scooby321

They were Obama supporters? Source, please, because everything I have read indicated they were conservative Republicans. If I remember correctly, either Joe or his son campaigned for McCain (?).


40 posted on 08/18/2012 6:50:47 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Zakeet

Didn’t he attend Brown to become a lawyer? He knows what omniscient means but not sodomy? Come on.

Freegards


41 posted on 08/18/2012 6:53:13 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Izzy Dunne
It's hard to believe that he failed to follow up, though.

He did. That follow through is found in the Freeh Report pgs 66 - 79 and it wasn't him who failed to follow through.

42 posted on 08/18/2012 7:00:41 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SatinDoll
Is it possible that a person could be so wrapped up in a sport like football while leading a conservative family-oriented life, that he wouldn’t comprehend what was going on with Sandusky and little boys?
Yes, I believe it's possible. http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/otoole/120805
43 posted on 08/18/2012 7:03:03 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Zakeet

Irregardless of Joe Pa its just unfathomable that a college coach like Sandusky would even have perv sex with young boys and no less mess around with them on campus. On the other hand gay marriage has nearly become a holy sacrament to these liberal run universities. FUBAR!


44 posted on 08/18/2012 7:03:27 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Zakeet

Thank you for posting this article!


45 posted on 08/18/2012 7:03:32 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Vaquero
"a plethora of perversions"

Sounds like a good description of the democrat party platform.

46 posted on 08/18/2012 7:08:41 AM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Uncle Chip

So Paterno knew that Sandusky was showering with little boys, and knew that there were witnesses to some pretty bad events, and he brought it to the attention of his bosses, but they didn’t follow through. So Paterno did his part, right?

And in spite of knowing this.... he continued to allow Sandusky to have full access to the PSU athletic facilities through 2011.

And poor old Joe was just a naive old man who didn’t even know these types of acts were possible. Riiiiiiiight.


47 posted on 08/18/2012 7:18:32 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: bigdaddy45

I think many knew about Sandusky. He was never offered a head coach position at any other university dispite that winning record. Why ?


48 posted on 08/18/2012 7:25:17 AM PDT by reefdiver (Shoeless John Roberts, American Backstabber)
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To: Zakeet

Poor Joe. Just another victim. So sad.

/S/


49 posted on 08/18/2012 7:31:41 AM PDT by pilipo (GOP=Gutless Old Party)
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To: SatinDoll

More spin by the Paterno family to save the old mans reputation.


50 posted on 08/18/2012 7:46:59 AM PDT by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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