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After 30 years, the Marines are returning to the Colt .45 pistol
Stars and Stripes ^ | August 18, 2012 | By MATTHEW STURDEVANT

Posted on 08/18/2012 2:50:53 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

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To: null and void; Jet Jaguar
The M1911 has a flawless pedigree. It was developed specifically to kill muslim fanatics

That certainly is a compelling reason to reissue them.

I assume Force Recon experience with the M-45 MEUSOC has something to do with the decision.

61 posted on 08/18/2012 4:10:37 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Spktyr
In IPSC and PPC classes the disadvantage of a DA/SA is that they are required to fire the first round in DA mode, even if capable of firing SA. Converting them to SAO overcomes this rule.

I do believe under older IPSC rules, some classes excluded DA pistols altogether.

In the real world, where one may carry a DA pistol prepared to fire the first round SA if desired, those rules do not apply.

62 posted on 08/18/2012 4:11:59 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: papertyger
Yup. DAO isn't a lot better.

Me, I'll stick with SA/SAO. This is my carry piece of choice at current:

Springfield XD45 4" Compact in (duh) .45ACP. Single action, grip safety, reliable (many people report being unable to make it jam) and not overpriced like an H&K.

63 posted on 08/18/2012 4:12:10 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: 1L

I like the .45 so well, I even own a .45 ACP revolver. lol


64 posted on 08/18/2012 4:12:30 PM PDT by Errant
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To: gundog
What is interesting is that the M2 0.5 caliber machine gun originally unveiled in 1921 is still considered a potent weapon even by 2012 standards.

John M. Browning--Mormon and perhaps the greatest small arms designer of the 20th Century.

65 posted on 08/18/2012 4:13:53 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Hugin

Correct. The Moro uprising, with hyped up muzzies who could not be stopped with the S&W 38 Double Actions, nice as they were. So they went temporarily to a 45 cal revolver then to Brownings semi-auto and... history.


66 posted on 08/18/2012 4:13:58 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Joe 6-pack

In the real world, DA mode for first round often means “first round flyer” which goes nowhere near the point of aim. This is why many police departments have shifted to DAO and semi-DAO types.

And before you claim you would cock it first before firing to get to SA mode, wow, you just slowed yourself way down.


67 posted on 08/18/2012 4:14:24 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: papertyger

” the 1911 is no more obsolete than a sailboat.”

True, and the same can be said for a 1911 pistol and a Harley.

The popularity of both is due to emotional nostalgia, not technical superiority.


68 posted on 08/18/2012 4:15:08 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Spktyr
"I would also point out that if you need to restrike, the hammer is exposed and it takes little time to recock a 1911."

LOL...aren't you the one bitching about how horrible it is to have to readjust one's trigger finger between a DA and SA shot? You can re-cock a 1911 without shifting your grip on the weapon? You must have some long-ass thumbs.

69 posted on 08/18/2012 4:16:07 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Spktyr

GMTA. ;o)

That exact pistol is my secondary.


70 posted on 08/18/2012 4:16:41 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: NVDave

I think you are right, that price tag is ridiculous.


71 posted on 08/18/2012 4:17:07 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Yep. “Moros.” From the Spanish word for `Moors’: Muslims. We’ve always had problems with them. See photo above, 51.

They would get hopped up on something and the .38 wasn’t stopping them, so the Army contacted Mr. Browning for a .45 caliber handgun.

I started out with Browning’s P-35, or Hi-Power, and it led me to CZ line. The CZ .45 has 11 round capacity and, in my opinion, a more comfortable grip.


72 posted on 08/18/2012 4:17:24 PM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Spktyr
"And before you claim you would cock it first before firing to get to SA mode, wow, you just slowed yourself way down."

As I pointed out well upthread, the CZ75B is made to be carried in condition 1, just like a 1911.

73 posted on 08/18/2012 4:17:52 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: tumblindice

I have a colt 4091ss, fails once on every mag, but with lifetime warranty, I’ll get it fixed, my backup is a Ruger Super Redhawk baby, a hand cannon, never fails! Still love my Colt though.


74 posted on 08/18/2012 4:18:06 PM PDT by X-FID
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To: RayChuang88

Actually John Browning was the greatest gun designer ever.

No one else was even close.


75 posted on 08/18/2012 4:19:00 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Joe 6-pack

Hence my comment about *needing* to restrike. I don’t see the need and go with the “Round didn’t work? Discard it and load another, don’t f**k around with trying to get it to work because if you do you will die” school of thought - which is espoused by many combat vets and experienced cops.


76 posted on 08/18/2012 4:19:26 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; verum ago
Since this thread will assuredly devolve into a handgun pissing contest, I think it's appropriate to share verum ago's insightful analysis:

The .38 spl is a wholly inadequate as a service cartridge when using lead round nose bullets and has less oopmh than .357 magnum. .357 magnum is fantastic, but has fairly stiff recoil and of course a revolver only holds 6 rds, so you should go with the lesser recoil and higher capacity of 9mm Luger automatic. 9mm Luger is perfectly acceptable and has a good track record, except if you think it doesn't or it isn't manly or you use 147 gr ball, in which case the .40 Smith and Wesson is a good round combining larger diameter than 9mm Luger and more energy than .45 ACP with less recoil than a hot .45 ACP load. Of course if you're going to step up to .40 S&W from 9mm you might as well go to .45 ACP because it is larger than .40 S&W and has less snappy recoil and is more manly/patriotic; besides which contrary to what I just said the .40 S&W really the worst of .45 ACP and 9mm Luger, as it has higher recoil than 9mm Luger and smaller diameter than .45 ACP. But .45 ACP bullets don't go very fast and are overrated because what really matters is hydrostatic shock, which is where the .357 Sig comes in: less recoil than .40 S&W and .45 ACP and terminal ballistics like .357 Magnum. Of course, .357 Sig is kinda snappy and has intimidating flash and blast and is super-expensive so maybe 9mm Luger is a good choice for gentle recoil, low expense, and lower muzzle blast. But .40 S&W is better than 9mm and... [repeat ad infinitum]

77 posted on 08/18/2012 4:20:31 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Whatever a homosexual union might be or represent, it is not physically marital. - F.Cardinal George)
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To: Joe 6-pack

1. CZ says you can do that but doesn’t recommend it. The latest versions of the CZ75 platform now come with a decocker.

2. If you’re going to do that, you can do what most of the CZ owners who do the same thing say they do on their forums - convert to SAO because they also see the DA part as useless in that case.


78 posted on 08/18/2012 4:23:06 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MikeSteelBe
The popularity of both is due to emotional nostalgia

I prefer the term "aesthetics" ;o)

79 posted on 08/18/2012 4:23:06 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Jet Jaguar
You guys are all cheering, but that works out to $1875 PER PISTOL!

Whatcha think about that?!?

80 posted on 08/18/2012 4:23:49 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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