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A Historic Return For U.S. Marines To Colt Sidearms
The Hartford Courant ^ | August 19, 2012 | MATTHEW STURDEVANT

Posted on 08/20/2012 9:43:40 AM PDT by Daffynition

WEST HARTFORD — — The newest Colt .45-caliber pistol is touted for its durability and design.

It is tested to make sure it can be dropped in water, covered in mud, immersed in sand or ice or left in a dust storm — and still be able to get off a round when you pull the trigger.

"Virtually, it's indestructible," said Casimir Pawlowski, who works in international sales and technical sevices for Colt Defense LLC. "You can drive over these things with a Humvee and they're still gonna work. It's like a brick that shoots bullets."

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1 posted on 08/20/2012 9:43:49 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

I just hope it will eventually mean a glut of .45 ammo on the market. I was starting to worry that the GI stores had dried up.


2 posted on 08/20/2012 9:45:55 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Daffynition
Uh, should this be semi auto?

Navy and U.S. Marines who carried an earlier version of the Colt as their official sidearm — the Model 1911 .45-caliber automatic.

3 posted on 08/20/2012 9:52:22 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Daffynition

Never go into a handgun fight with a bullet that does not start with a 4


4 posted on 08/20/2012 9:53:18 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“Uh, should this be semi auto?”

Of course, checking facts has not been important in Journalism.


5 posted on 08/20/2012 9:55:31 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: Daffynition

There have already been reported failures of the frame.
The one that I saw had the rail assembly split from the dust cover. Look where the rail joins the frame and it’s a sharp/squared angle that directs the stresses.

Such things are common when new weapons are developed, so they should be able to work it out.


6 posted on 08/20/2012 9:55:53 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Navy and U.S. Marines who carried an earlier version of the Colt as their official sidearm — the Model 1911 .45-caliber automatic.

Assuming that you weren't joking: the terms semi-automatic and automatic mean the same thing when applied to both pistols and shotguns.

7 posted on 08/20/2012 9:56:44 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Back then, “automatic” referred to what we today call semi-auto.


8 posted on 08/20/2012 10:01:11 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Support hate crime laws: Because some victims are more equal than others.)
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To: central_va
Assuming that you weren't joking: the terms semi-automatic and automatic mean the same thing when applied to both pistols and shotguns.

No, I was not joking. That's news to me. I don't know if there is some sort of definitive source for firearm nomenclature, but I'd need to see something to back that up.

9 posted on 08/20/2012 10:02:20 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

As compared to the fully automatic SUV...the most deadly weapon in the world.


10 posted on 08/20/2012 10:03:25 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“Uh, should this be semi auto?

Navy and U.S. Marines who carried an earlier version of the Colt as their official sidearm — the Model 1911 .45-caliber automatic. “

If yall already know this stuff (BFO), please save your time and skip to the next post/poster....

Actually, automatic in this case refers to loading (automatic loading or auto-loader). The cartridge designation “ACP” Automatic Colt Pistol, supports this. Anything that worked otherwise (fully automatic) was referred to as fully-automatic, or machine-gun (main battle rifle cartridge), or sub-machine-gun (pistol cartridge).

Either way, it is an historic time, the Marine Corps and John Moses Browning (hallowed be his name to practitioners...)together again!!!

Oooohrah!!


11 posted on 08/20/2012 10:04:53 AM PDT by petro45acp ("Don't" read 'HOPE' by L Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman...it will bring tears to eyes. BORE!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Daffynition

THANK GOD!

I first qualified with the .45 and then they switched to the POS 9MM!

It is only proper to give Marines a REAL weapon which is designed to KILL the person you are shooting at, not merely wound him!!


12 posted on 08/20/2012 10:08:13 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

No, it’s the Colt Automatic Pistol. Always has been, always will be.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/GalleryItem.aspx?cid=22&gid=104&id=915


13 posted on 08/20/2012 10:08:27 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: central_va
Assuming that you weren't joking: the terms semi-automatic and automatic mean the same thing when applied to both pistols and shotguns.BS automatic and semi-automatic are different for any shotgun and pistol. Dumb journalist may not understand that, but that does not eliminate the differences.
14 posted on 08/20/2012 10:08:53 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Shotguns come in two flavors: pump action and automatic. The term automatic shotgun does not mean it is fully automatic like a machine gun. Confused yet?


15 posted on 08/20/2012 10:11:01 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“Automatic” means the automatic chambering of the next round after firing the current round. Unfortunately, modern terminology seems to think “automatic” mean full auto firing.


16 posted on 08/20/2012 10:11:30 AM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: hadaclueonce
Never go into a handgun fight with a bullet that does not start with a 4.

Ah yes, another "if you don't carry a .40 or a .45, then you're not a real man," lecture. From a pure manstopper perspective, I'll match my .357 with anything that starts with a 4.

17 posted on 08/20/2012 10:13:25 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Ratman83
BS automatic and semi-automatic are different for any shotgun and pistol. Dumb journalist may not understand that, but that does not eliminate the differences.

The term semi-auto and auto mean the same thing in this case. I qualified expert on the 45 in the Navy. I own 2 M1911's.

18 posted on 08/20/2012 10:13:42 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Daffynition

Question...

This pistol appears to have a hammer.

Wouldn’t that significantly slow the rate of fire?


19 posted on 08/20/2012 10:14:15 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Daffynition; All

How much does a new one cost? Used?


20 posted on 08/20/2012 10:16:48 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Ratman83

Wrong, please see the Colt advertisement in an early 20th century American Rifleman ad, that I posted in 13.


21 posted on 08/20/2012 10:17:18 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: Daffynition

I love the old 1911 but this is crazy. Unless they added a glock style breech block, and a hi-power style linkless barrel, and a trigger with a second strike capability, and a polymer grip frame, then they are nuts.


22 posted on 08/20/2012 10:18:24 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: zeestephen

Question: Have you ever seen a 1911 that didn’t have a hammer?


23 posted on 08/20/2012 10:19:00 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: arrogantsob

There are some very good replicas coming from the Phillipines, under the Rock Island brand. I have one and it shoots like the authentic Colt I sold for money to build ARs. The RI was around $350 new, IIRC. I want a stainless with upgraded sights next.


24 posted on 08/20/2012 10:19:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: central_va
I qualified expert on the 45 in the Navy.

We finally have something in common.

25 posted on 08/20/2012 10:20:04 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: zeestephen

Most military weapons have a hammer. The M14, M16 and the AK47 have hammers. As for the 1911 Its formal designation as of 1940 was Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, M1911 for the original Model of 1911 or Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, M1911A1 for the M1911A1.


26 posted on 08/20/2012 10:22:26 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: Melas

so did I.


27 posted on 08/20/2012 10:24:49 AM PDT by brivette
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks for the info. The Rock Island armory provided great guns for a long time is the company you referenced associated with the armory?


28 posted on 08/20/2012 10:25:40 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: ExTxMarine

Obama brought in gays, cuts in military, but he is bringing in the Colt...I guess you are thrilled.


29 posted on 08/20/2012 10:26:38 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

In boot camp we weren’t allowed to leave off the “A1” when reciting nomenclature.


30 posted on 08/20/2012 10:28:52 AM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Ransom "Rance" Stoddard)
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To: Labyrinthos

Like I’ve said before. A friends father who taught me how to really shoot was a long time member of the U.S. Army Rifle Team, and his personal carry weapon was a Ruger Mark III. I have no doubt that if he shot anyone with it, they’d be deader than a door nail.


31 posted on 08/20/2012 10:30:02 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: petro45acp
>>Either way, it is an historic time, the Marine Corps and John Moses Browning (hallowed be his name to practitioners...)together again!!!

Oooohrah!!<<

It's good to be proud of Connecticut again and the great Sam Colt. Heaven knows we need the business in this dreadful economy..


32 posted on 08/20/2012 10:32:01 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: central_va
The term semi-auto and auto mean the same thing in this case. I qualified expert on the 45 in the Navy.

No it does not. The 45, which I also qualified on, was actually a Model M1911 45 caliber pistol. It used a .45 acp (Automatic Colt Pistol) round. This is a specific weapon and round. A pistol can be an automatic, semi-automatic, revolver or single shot. Shotguns come in single shot, doubles (over under/side by side) semi-automatic and automatic.

33 posted on 08/20/2012 10:33:43 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Daffynition
http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/honest-hearts-joshua-graham-fallout-new-vegas.jpg

Joshua Graham is pleased!

34 posted on 08/20/2012 10:35:45 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Normalcy results in the creation of life, Sodomy results in AIDS)
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To: napscoordinator

I understand Colt presents a pair of 1911s to every president....and that Billy-Boy Clinton was the only prez to refuse them. Figures.


35 posted on 08/20/2012 10:35:58 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Melas

Not wrong see #33.


36 posted on 08/20/2012 10:39:03 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Daffynition

The only issue with .45’s is that many women and a few men do not have the hand strength / length of finger to properly control a 1911 in .45 ACP. Since there is a need to standardize ammunition, the only way you can compensate is to either:

1) go back to issuing .38s to females
2) order the .45 as a compensated model

Qualified expert back in ‘83 with a 1911 that was so warn it barely stayed together. You could shake the pistol and have the slide rattle.


37 posted on 08/20/2012 10:39:17 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Melas
Re: Hammer

My dad has a Spanish American War Colt 45.

Squeezing rounds off that pistol requires serious effort and affects your aim.

I've only shot 22 caliber semi pistols.

The trigger on a semi-auto is much lighter, the fire rate is two or three times faster, and there's no hammer.

Is that not the case on large caliber semi-auto pistols?

38 posted on 08/20/2012 10:43:56 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Ratman83

I see nothing there that refutes Colt’s own advertisement. Colt called it the Colt Automatic Pistol, and no, none of pistols in the Colt Automatic lineup were full auto.


39 posted on 08/20/2012 10:47:21 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: hadaclueonce

At media’s whim, the pistol will morph from an “automatic” to an “assault-style weapon,” depending on the gun control needs of the article.


40 posted on 08/20/2012 10:50:03 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: Daffynition

“I understand Colt presents a pair of 1911s to every president.”

That would be about the reason I would be interested in the job.


41 posted on 08/20/2012 10:53:36 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Ratman83
A pistol can be an automatic, semi-automatic, revolver or single shot.

The way you define automatic pistol above, please post a link or a picture of one. You can't because there isn't one.

42 posted on 08/20/2012 10:54:12 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Daffynition

Indeed! Much to be proud of!

Great pistol, made by Americans in America, for the American Marines. Sometimes it all comes together.

Cheers


43 posted on 08/20/2012 10:56:43 AM PDT by petro45acp ("Don't" read 'HOPE' by L Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman...it will bring tears to eyes. BORE!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: zeestephen

Trigger pull has nothing to with the presence of a hammer. And no, it’s not the case. Desert Eagles, the entire Colt line, most Barettas, Walthers, etc all have hammers.

The trigger pull was difficult on your father’s long Colt because you weren’t doing it right. To accurately shoot a revolver, you cock the hammer with your thumb and then shoot. When shooting that way, the trigger pull is a fraction of what is when you use the trigger to rotate the cylinder and pull back the hammer.


44 posted on 08/20/2012 10:59:27 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: zeestephen

Oh, and fire rate has a lot to do with caliber. I can squeeze off .22 shots as fast as my finger will twitch. A Desert Eagle in action express, not so much.


45 posted on 08/20/2012 11:03:56 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I don't know if there is some sort of definitive source for firearm nomenclature, but I'd need to see something to back that up.

Browning developed ammo for his weapons....32 ACP, .45 ACP...as in Automatic Colt Pistol. Self-loading, if you will.

46 posted on 08/20/2012 11:09:41 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I don't know if there is some sort of definitive source for firearm nomenclature, but I'd need to see something to back that up.

Browning developed ammo for his weapons....32 ACP, .45 ACP...as in Automatic Colt Pistol. Self-loading, if you will.

47 posted on 08/20/2012 11:10:16 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Melas
Definition of automatic pistol, automatic - a pistol that will keep firing until the ammunition is gone or the trigger is released

The M1911 is not an automatic pistol. Additionally from your own link in the text following told ad, While searching through back issues, AmericanRifleman.org found the very first advertisement for a 1911 pistol to ever run in an NRA publication. Even then, the 1911 held a fascination as one of the first reliable semi-auto handguns to be offered to the public. . From colts own web site

Colt pistols have long represented the gold standard in magazine-fed semi-automatic handguns.

Modern semi-automatic pistols all trace their roots to the famed Colt M1911 pistol, designed by John Browning and the standard-issue U.S. military sidearm from 1911 to 1985. Colt 1911 pistols and their descendants were in the hands of confident World War I, World War II, Korean War and Vietnam-era servicemen. Colt customers today can purchase reproductions of these weapons, each faithfully manufactured to the original specifications from factory blueprints.

48 posted on 08/20/2012 11:13:34 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Daffynition

What I want to know is why the standard sidearm for the U.S.Navy SEALS is a Sig Sauer un-manly 9mm?


49 posted on 08/20/2012 11:14:30 AM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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To: DPMD

I loved my .45.

Too bad it sank in the boat accident.


50 posted on 08/20/2012 11:14:35 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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