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The Pro-Life Movement Must Disavow Akin Comment
Townhall.com ^ | August 21, 2012 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 08/21/2012 8:09:12 AM PDT by Kaslin

Rep. Todd Akin has, unwittingly to be sure, harmed the pro-life movement, his senatorial race in Missouri, the Republican Party, and therefore quite possibly the nation.

Every person who speaks or writes for the public will make an occasional faux pas, and sooner or later, will write or say something inappropriate. The game of "gotcha" that the media play -- especially with regard to Republicans and conservatives -- is what makes so many politicians sound robotic when they speak.

But Congressman Akin said something that cries out for condemnation and retraction -- and necessitates an explanation.

On a Missouri TV program Sunday, he was asked his position on abortion in cases of rape. Akin responded, in part, that "from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

While he should not have used the term "legitimate rape," he could have explained later that, given the expanded definitions of rape, not all claims of "rape" are truly rape. The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy entry for Feminist Perspectives on Rape states, for example, that "we must recognize that, in some cases, 'yes' also means no ... The man may threaten to sue for custody of their children, to derail her green card application, to evict her, or simply to sulk and make her life miserable for days should she refuse to have sex. Which (if any) of such nonviolent coercive pressures should be regarded as rape, either morally or legally, is a matter of some controversy."

That would have largely ended the issue. And he could have further noted that Republicans generally incline toward harsher penalties for violent crime than do Democrats.

The far greater problem was Congressman Akin's other comment: "From what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy is] really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

As one wit put it about such a comment: that was worse than wrong, it was stupid.

Akin should say so.

And so should the pro-life movement.

Unless -- and this would be upsetting -- he, and the movement, don't think this comment was stupid.

Pregnancy from rape is rare because a "woman's body shuts down"?

Who told Akin this? And why would he believe it, even if some doctor did tell him this?

Here is my theory.

I have spent a good part of my life showing what an intellectual bubble the left lives in. That is why so many could believe that boys don't really prefer trains to tea sets or girls dolls to army soldiers. Those who believe such nonsense usually live in an intellectual bubble. They are raised by liberal parents, taught by left-wing teachers from high school through graduate school, watch left-wing MTV and news, listen to liberal NPR, go to movies produced by leftists, etc. Their whole world is left-wing. They don't watch, listen to, study under, or socialize with conservatives.

Bubbles tend to produce nonsense. When the only people you talk to, read, and socialize with agree with you, it is easy to abandon critical thinking.

And when you are morally right -- and those who argue for a right to life of unborn human beings (or human fetuses, if you prefer) are morally and even scientifically right -- a bubble can make critical thought even more difficult.

I wonder if that is not the case with Rep. Akin's comment. If I were at a dinner party with Akin, and he said what he said in his Missouri television interview, as much as I consider the vast majority of abortions in America to be immoral acts, I would have respectfully asked the congressman whether he was aware of the marauding armies throughout history that raped women. Did he assume that very few of them -- like the German women raped by Soviet soldiers at the end of World War II -- got pregnant? Did he not know how many raped slaves gave birth? Was he not aware of the tragedy of the women of Darfur who, after being raped by Sudanese Arab soldiers, are abandoned by their families for getting pregnant out-of-wedlock?

This country is on the verge of an inexorable moral, social and economic decline. The left is doing to America what it has done to almost everything it has deeply influenced -- the arts, the university, religion, culture, minorities, Europe: ruining it. It is therefore morally incumbent on conservatives to do everything in their power not to give the left legitimate targets.

Therefore, the pro-life movement should announce that the comment on pregnancy has no basis in truth. And since truth is a supreme conservative and religious value, the movement neither espouses nor condones untruths. The Republican Party has said this. And since Todd Akin has not said this, his candidacy is no longer viable.

Morality, truth, and the most important elections on our lifetime demand no less.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: abortion; akin; mo2012; prolife; toddakin
While I think Akin's remark about rape was ridiculous as there is no such thing as legitimate rape, I do agree with him that the rapist should be punished and not the baby. According to votesmart.org Akin has 100 percent rating on the National Right to Life Committee - Positions and 0 percent on the Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro Choice America Positions

Todd Akin Abortion Issues

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1 posted on 08/21/2012 8:09:19 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

It doesn’t matter what his ‘positions’ have been. If he can’t play the game of POLITICS to our advantage, he can take up another job!

He has to go! He’s made an embarrassment of our cause, and has lost the support of many conservatives, so he’s ‘toxic’ now. Unfortunately, that is the bottom line in politics.

NO need to sacrifice our war against these devils for one single soldier!


2 posted on 08/21/2012 8:15:35 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Kaslin

Why is it that when a Rep says something stupid, the calls for this organization or that to distance themselves from the person come out from every angle ... yet when someone on the left says something stupid, we hear crickets?


3 posted on 08/21/2012 8:22:35 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: LibFreeUSA

legitimate rape,better put some ice on that lip.

Bill Clinton


4 posted on 08/21/2012 8:25:27 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: LibFreeUSA
NO need to sacrifice our war against these devils for one single soldier!

The GOP will lose just as many either way now and probably more than if they had just ignored it.
5 posted on 08/21/2012 8:33:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: al_c

Yes, it`s unfair, but EVERY GOPer should be fully aware that no one on the right ever gets a mulligan for an idiotic, horrendously worded statement, regardless of the intent. It`s the dynamic under which they have to operate, like it or not.

He should`ve kept his response to the question broad, e.g., “I believe in the sanctity of innocent life without exception.” Apparently thinking he was brighter than he is, he tried to apply some “expert opinion,” and with that, sank his chances of winning that election, the GOP`s chances of gaining control of the Senate, and quite possibly Romney`s hopes in Missouri.

If he loves this country more than the desire to boost his own ego, Todd Akin will step aside.


6 posted on 08/21/2012 8:40:50 AM PDT by ScottinVA
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To: al_c; Kaslin; LibFreeUSA; Vaduz; cripplecreek
al_c: Why is it that when a Rep says something stupid, the calls for this organization or that to distance themselves from the person come out from every angle ... yet when someone on the left says something stupid, we hear crickets?

Why do people bother to ask such a reflexively stupid question?

Why would it be otherwise?

If the right is morally superior to the left, then of course the left will be held to a lower standard.

If the left maintained the same standards of self-reproach, they wouldn't condone or support so many of the reprehensible tenets that they do.

It's self-evident that the whore has more fun than the ole biddy churchlady. If the whore cleaned up her act and went to church then she wouldn't be a whore anymore.

7 posted on 08/21/2012 8:42:22 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
It's self-evident that the whore has more fun than the ole biddy churchlady.

Oh drilley?
8 posted on 08/21/2012 8:51:03 AM PDT by kenavi (Obama doesn't hate private equity. He wants to be it with our money.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

My E-MAIL to the NRSC

There you go again, your candidate in MO uses the wrong word to cite a fact. The Alinsky cadre of the Democrat party starts frothing at the mouth and you roll over on your backs and meekly plead “ we didn’t mean to hurt your feelings”.
You testicle deprived illegitimate offspring, get up on your hind legs and fight. The best defence is a full out attack.
The Republican party doing what they do best, working doubly hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.


9 posted on 08/21/2012 8:54:13 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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To: Kaslin; Revolting cat!

Why did the Obama administration let Roman Polanski walk? Oh wait, that wasn’t “rape rape”. So speaketh Whoopi Goldberg.


10 posted on 08/21/2012 8:55:24 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Only Obama put a dog on the roof of his mouth. Dogs are friends, not food.)
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To: sam_paine

The left has no standards.


11 posted on 08/21/2012 8:59:53 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Kaslin

There is no question Todd Akin misspoke. He has said that, and he has apologized. Conservatives should not “pile on” him - that is the job of liberals and the GOP Establishment!


12 posted on 08/21/2012 9:03:05 AM PDT by Perkalong
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To: al_c

Exactly


13 posted on 08/21/2012 9:03:27 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

There comes a time when you stay loyal to your friends even if it costs you something in the short term. All the conservative political “realists’ ought to remember Akin’s misspoke when discussing innocent human life that came forth from a very vile act. Difficult to discuss in sound bites. What is not difficult is to remember how Kennedy, Clinton,Edwards and other Democrat heroes actually treat women. Also let’s not forget the Democrats have given Clinton a prime role at their convention.


14 posted on 08/21/2012 9:06:36 AM PDT by allendale
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To: LibFreeUSA

I am not from Missouri and I don’t know if you are or not, but if you are not then I believe that is up to the voters of MO, not to you or myself, or anyone else


15 posted on 08/21/2012 9:09:00 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Perkalong

I agree and I am disgusted that they are


16 posted on 08/21/2012 9:14:31 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: ScottinVA

“Yes, it`s unfair, but EVERY GOPer should be fully aware that no one on the right ever gets a mulligan for an idiotic, horrendously worded statement, regardless of the intent. It`s the dynamic under which they have to operate, like it or not.”

Then the conservative cause is a lost cause if this is how you feel. If you do not want to step up and fight for the cause, then stop being judgmental of other’s. He made a mistake, apologized and is moving on. He is 100% pro-life.


17 posted on 08/21/2012 9:16:59 AM PDT by Bruinator ("For socialism is not merely the labour question, it is before all things an atheistic question")
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To: LibFreeUSA
You might want to read this from JWR

Medical opinion similar to Akin's has been cited for decades

Here is an excerpt

By Tim Townsend and Blythe Bernhard

Missouri congressman far from being a lone voice on issue

JewishWorldReview.com | (MCT) "The question of rape always stirs the emotions whenever it is introduced into the abortion debate," Dr. Fred Mecklenburg wrote in 1972. "Unfortunately, the emotional impact of rape often clouds the real issues and the real facts."

Mecklenburg — an assistant clinical professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Minnesota Medical School at the time — could not have known how prescient his words would feel 40 years later.

While U.S. Rep. Todd Akin cited only "doctors" as his source of information about the rarity of pregnancy resulting from rape, it is two pages, from Mecklenburg's 1972 article, "The Indications for Induced Abortion: A Physician's Perspective," that have influenced two generations of anti-abortion rights activists hoping to build a medical case to ban all abortions without exception.

In Mecklenburg's original article, he wrote that pregnancy resulting from rape "is extremely rare," and cited as an example the city of Buffalo, N.Y., which had not seen "a pregnancy from confirmed rape in over 30 years." Other cities — Chicago, Washington, St. Paul — also had experienced lengthy spells without a rape-caused pregnancy, Mecklenburg wrote.

18 posted on 08/21/2012 9:27:47 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Bruinator

“He made a mistake, has apologized, and is moving on.”

Great.

And he`s going to lose by double-digits in a campaign that was ..before Sunday.. all but a slam dunk for the GOP. This was one we needed to take back the Senate, but it`s going to now fall handily into the dems` column.

And we`re going to be left short of Obamacare repeal.

But hey... Akin apologized and is moving on.


19 posted on 08/21/2012 9:28:34 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Stop the bleeding, Todd Akin. Do the right thing and step aside!!)
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To: Kaslin

There are two problems with Akins’ statement.

1) Yes, it is *statistically* improbable (but not impossible) that pregnancy will result from a rape. But to think that the woman’s body somehow “shuts down” is what is referred to in children as “magical thinking” (thinking something is true just because you want it to be true). And in adults, it is just called “stupidity.” A woman’s body does not have any wonderful, magical way to reject the sperm of a rapist. And the LAST thing the GOP needs is someone stupid to be actually ELECTED to the legislature. Then you have another Slow Joe Biden on your hands. That does NOT help the GOP or our causes.

2) The reason Stupid Akins’ comment is insulting to women is because if you believe it, then it makes any woman who *does* get pregnant because of a rape look as though she somehow wanted the rape or accepted it. Because after all, if she REALLY was upset about the “legitimate” rape, her body would have “shut things down,” right? So his comment was insulting to women who have been raped and still became pregnant, and is also toxic to the whole discourse. Because *blaming* a women for a rape she has suffered (by insinuating that she must have really wanted or accepted it) is just reprehensible.

Akins needs to go. Now. While they can get someone else onto the ticket.


20 posted on 08/21/2012 10:17:53 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert ( "Be Breitbart, baby!")
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To: ScottinVA

It is lost either way. There is no one to step in. Not even the Prized Palin Supported Candidate. She lost the primary. What does that tell you? She will be O’donald.


21 posted on 08/21/2012 10:27:27 AM PDT by Bruinator ("For socialism is not merely the labour question, it is before all things an atheistic question")
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
Akins needs to go. Now. While they can get someone else onto the ticket.

I believe that is up to the voters of Missouri, not to you, others not from MO and myself

22 posted on 08/21/2012 10:34:08 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Leave it the hell alone. The comment made a problem for the utterer. Self Righteous Conservatives are making it a much bigger problem for Akin’s election chances and for conservatives’ and Republicans’ chances. Akin reduced his chances to beat McCaskill and Republicans are going all out to ensure that his chances are wiped out altogether. The only comment due is “not my position,” or “to each his own,” then let it lie. Shut up.


23 posted on 08/21/2012 10:35:40 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: Kaslin

“The Pro-Life Movement Must Disavow Akin Comment”

WOW, with a record like that, he MUST go! (sarc)


24 posted on 08/21/2012 10:37:31 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Kaslin

“the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

This is as badly stated as the “legitimate” quote.

I’m sure he doesn’t think that the female body has anti rape genes. Getting pregnant isn’t easy. Many stars have to align for this to happen. Emotional state, hormones, etc. can have an effect on pregnancy occurring.

Common sense tells us that the trauma from a “legitimate rape” could be a real factor in whether a pregnancy results from a rape, among many others.

EVERYONE is blowing this all out of proportion. Conservatives, pro lifers, and Republicans in general, should all be ashamed of themselves.


25 posted on 08/21/2012 10:54:29 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: al_c

>>Why is it that when a Rep says something stupid, the calls for this organization or that to distance themselves from the person come out from every angle ... yet when someone on the left says something stupid, we hear crickets?
<<

Because people on the right have principles, unlike people on the left.

And we are also pragmatic. We know that what this idiot said was TOXIC, there is no “walking it back,” and it will cost us quite possiblly the Senate and the whole nation.

Forever.

However, there are a few stupid birdbrains right here on FR who would rather see Akin stay in the race even if it means losing the country.


26 posted on 08/21/2012 10:57:44 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (John Roberts did more to endanger the lives of Americans than all 9/11 hijackers combined.)
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To: Kaslin

Well after all, he got drunk, ran his car off a bridge and left a woman to drown in 3 feet of water. Of course he shouldn’t be a senator.


27 posted on 08/21/2012 11:03:49 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: W. W. SMITH

Yes, you are right, that is exactly what we need to do.

DEFEND this idiot’s idiotic, brainless comment and smear the stink of knuckledragging insensitive morons all over ourselves. Destroy the GOP forever.

Yeah, that’s a REALLY smart strategy.

Signed,

Wyle E. Coyote.


28 posted on 08/21/2012 11:03:49 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (John Roberts did more to endanger the lives of Americans than all 9/11 hijackers combined.)
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To: allendale

>>There comes a time when you stay loyal to your friends even if it costs you something in the short term. <<

If we lose the next election, or the Senate, the damage to America will not be “short term.”


29 posted on 08/21/2012 11:05:35 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (John Roberts did more to endanger the lives of Americans than all 9/11 hijackers combined.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

All hail the pragmatic Republicans!!!

As a voter, all your hyperventilating about this non-issue just reinforces the Republican Party’s image as a bunch of spineless wimps willing to throw principled leaders under the bus, while at the same time whining that we have no choice but to vote for Romney.

I will be voting FOR Akin and NOT Romney.


30 posted on 08/21/2012 11:56:51 AM PDT by Scarlet Pimpernel (And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?)
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To: Vaduz

If he had used the word violent or forcible this would be absolutely nothing ,,, in times of stress it is very well documented that pregnancy is MUCH harder to achieve. I have heard the clip and I agree with him 100% ... We need to learn to protect our own instead of having a reactionary response to immediately throw them under the bus. He is/was right and we need to draw a line. What better time than now.


31 posted on 08/21/2012 12:58:09 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: ScottinVA
Yes, it`s unfair, but EVERY GOPer should be fully aware that no one on the right ever gets a mulligan for an idiotic, horrendously worded statement, regardless of the intent. It`s the dynamic under which they have to operate, like it or not.

Such is life. *sigh*

He should`ve kept his response to the question broad, e.g., “I believe in the sanctity of innocent life without exception.” Apparently thinking he was brighter than he is, he tried to apply some “expert opinion,” and with that, sank his chances of winning that election, the GOP`s chances of gaining control of the Senate, and quite possibly Romney`s hopes in Missouri.

Agreed. When these politicians (both sides) try to expand so much in order to sound smart ... they just end up sounding dumb. Keep it simple.

If he loves this country more than the desire to boost his own ego, Todd Akin will step aside.

And soon so that a replacement can begin a campaign against the inept Dem candidate.

32 posted on 08/21/2012 1:13:10 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: sam_paine
Why do people bother to ask such a reflexively stupid question?

Why do people like you enjoy calling others stupid and ping others to help pile on? Did you not understand that it was merely a "rhetorical" query?

33 posted on 08/21/2012 1:23:02 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al_c
Why do people like you enjoy calling others stupid and ping others to help pile on?

1. Did NOT call anyone stupid.

Why do people bother to ask such a reflexively stupid question?

Asking a stupid question does not mean someone is stupid.

2. Didn't ask anyone to pile on.

I addressed other people on the thread with the same statement. That is, that we cannot keep being shocked that we are held to a higher standard.

If we are to achieve a higher standard, then we must have a lower tolerance than them, and we must accept that there will necessarily be a double-standard.

Don't take everything to personal.

34 posted on 08/21/2012 2:17:51 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: al_c

Oops. “too” not “to”...


35 posted on 08/21/2012 2:53:07 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Kaslin

Todd IS the MO RTL candidate.


36 posted on 08/21/2012 2:55:56 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: LibFreeUSA

If you live in Missouri, then you have a say. Who says he’s lost support of Missouri conservatives who elected him? Ann Coulter? *snort*


37 posted on 08/21/2012 2:59:13 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: Neidermeyer

Thank you.


38 posted on 08/21/2012 3:02:04 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: Scarlet Pimpernel

Thank you, from another Missourian. It’s been a crappy couple of days on FR. LOL.


39 posted on 08/21/2012 3:05:03 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: sam_paine

Understood


40 posted on 08/21/2012 3:17:28 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Marie Antoinette

I checked his ratings on the abortion issues in vote smart.org. He is 100% pro life


41 posted on 08/21/2012 3:20:12 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Hetty your just flat full of it.

A little old grandmother five foot nothing, runs out in the street and lifts a car of her grandchild pinned underneath. Now according to experts that is not possible only that sort of occurrence has been witnessed many times.
The numbers show clearly that there are far fewer pregnancies from violent rapes than from the same number of women engaged in consensual coitus. The experts while not knowing why do know that is factual. My own opinion is it is due to adrenaline levels?
Now Aikens never said impossible, he said fewer, but you chose to listen to the Alinsky cadre of the Democrat party. Now go do your own research, quick so you can stay ahead of the soros team changing factual info to match their lies.


42 posted on 08/21/2012 6:14:34 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

However, there are a few stupid birdbrains right here on FR who would rather see Akin stay in the race even if it means losing the country.

There you go again, your candidate in MO uses the wrong word to cite a fact. The Alinsky cadre of the Democrat party starts frothing at the mouth and you roll over on your backs and meekly plead “ we didn’t mean to hurt your feelings”.
You testicle deprived illegitimate offspring, get up on your hind legs and fight. The best defence is a full out attack.
The Republican party doing what they do best, working doubly hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.


43 posted on 08/21/2012 6:20:39 PM PDT by W. W. SMITH ((Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.)
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To: Marie Antoinette

Marie, you can *SNORT* all you want, but this Senate seat will also MAKE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT ME HERE IN NJ, and besides, NO ONE can win any SENATE seat in the country without OUTSIDE STATE money, so for you to naively believe that OUR opinions don’t count (regardless of whether we can VOTE in a state), is just... well, let’s just say, toooo “SNORTY”!


44 posted on 08/21/2012 10:12:39 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Kaslin

Kudos to you... you get it.


45 posted on 08/21/2012 10:41:27 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Marie Antoinette

; ) *snort*... good one!


46 posted on 08/21/2012 10:47:41 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Kaslin

Anyone who references NAZI ‘experiments’ on human Holocaust victims to substantiate their own medical theories is beyond the pale.


47 posted on 08/22/2012 5:57:48 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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