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Everyone Is Asking About The Russian Sub Spotted In The Gulf Of Mexico
Business Insider ^ | Aug. 22, 2012, 11:32 PM | Leandro Oliva, Contributor

Posted on 08/25/2012 10:56:46 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

Akula class submarine

An unusual story has been circulating of an Akula class Russian submarine lurking in the Gulf of Mexico for weeks, evidently undetected by the U.S.

The story is odd not only because such a mission would be unusual and alarming, but also because of the source — in this case, veteran national security reporter and former Washington Times columnist Bill Gertz.

While the Russian navy under Putin and Medvedev has undertaken well advertised “symbolic” missions, such as a 2008 visit by a contingent of its weathered North Sea Fleet to Venezuela, these have generally not been much more than extremely visible ways to demonstrate displeasure with U.S. and NATO policy and/or maintain good relations with its arms customers.

Likewise, when Russia’s air force deploys its ancient propeller-driven Tupolev Tu-95 “Bear” bombers to buzz close to American airspace, the U.S. deploys fighter jets to intercept.

So, then, would Russia be willing to escalate the situation by sailing an attack sub into the Gulf of Mexico?

Two U.S. officials confirmed that the Akula’s incursion took place at the same time that Russia once again trotted out its Tupolevs into restricted airspace in June and July.

Requests for confirmation of the story from the Navy were declined, the Pentagon has thus far denied the incursion, and the Russian Defense Ministry will not disclose information either way.

Meanwhile, Republican Senator John Cornyn, a member of the Armed Services Committee, sent a letter to the Pentagon’s Chief of Naval Operations demanding clarification, stating that the incident “is especially troubling given the drastic defense cuts sought by President Obama, which include reductions in funding for antisubmarine defense systems.”

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1 posted on 08/25/2012 10:56:49 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Russia is going to put bases in Cuba or Venezuela or something, will BO even consider voicing opposition?


2 posted on 08/25/2012 11:01:19 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

The Akula shouldn’t be even close to “undetectable” with the detection arrays that were in use once. Should be tracked as it left home base.


3 posted on 08/25/2012 11:03:02 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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ancient(sic) propeller-driven Tupolev Tu-95 “Bear” bombers

The "learned" Oliva no doubt characterizes the BUFF as a dinosaur.

4 posted on 08/25/2012 11:04:28 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: GeronL

You kidding??...The Russians are Obama’s commie calvary.


5 posted on 08/25/2012 11:04:40 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Protecting Cuba’s drilling interests no doubt


6 posted on 08/25/2012 11:04:43 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

They ought to be getting friendly with us, rather than continuing to be an adversary. We don’t have our eyes on Siberia’s wide open spaces like China does. They are pairing with the wrong side.


7 posted on 08/25/2012 11:06:27 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: GeronL

He will have more flexibility after his reelection


8 posted on 08/25/2012 11:07:28 AM PDT by al baby (“If Barack Obama has a Harvard law degree, he didn’t earn that. Somebody else made that happen.”)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Dang! is it an endangered spotted russian sub? Will fishing in the gulf be shut down?

/johnny

9 posted on 08/25/2012 11:11:29 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Red August?


10 posted on 08/25/2012 11:12:10 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Vince Ferrer

They are pairing with who they see as the likely winner if we don’t turn things around.


11 posted on 08/25/2012 11:12:38 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: al baby

My thoughts exactly. They are hanging around with the hope to exercise their “flexibility” if Obama remains in the WH.


12 posted on 08/25/2012 11:13:51 AM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Not surprising. Barry Soetoro Marshall Davis's Navy is busy being "open".


13 posted on 08/25/2012 11:16:32 AM PDT by Mormon Cricket
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To: A.A. Cunningham

TU-95 carries 30k in bombs, top speed of 575mph, and flies 9000 miles unrefueled. B-52 carries 70k in bombs, top speed 650 mph, and goes a little over 8700 unrefueled.
B-52 is better, but the TU-95 doesn’t rate any sort of booby prize.

The writer sounds not too bright.


14 posted on 08/25/2012 11:17:21 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

How long before one is seen cruising up the Chesapeake Bay?


15 posted on 08/25/2012 11:17:27 AM PDT by StormEye
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To: DeaconBenjamin; Hardraade
It's hoax getting recycled.

http://strategypage.com/htmw/htsub/articles/20120817.aspx

16 posted on 08/25/2012 11:20:31 AM PDT by hamboy
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17 posted on 08/25/2012 11:20:57 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Who says this sub was “undetected”?


18 posted on 08/25/2012 11:21:20 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: bigbob
Red August?

Hunt for Red Obama.

19 posted on 08/25/2012 11:23:02 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (I didn't write this by myself. Obama helped me. Everyone helped me.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
I'd be much more concerned about the Soviet Nuc Sub prowling around in the Great Lakes.
20 posted on 08/25/2012 11:29:06 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: hamboy

You are saying Bill Gertz is a liar?


21 posted on 08/25/2012 11:30:21 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: DesertRhino

Also the current service Tu-95MS were all built in the 1980s and early 90s, while the last B-52 came off the line in 1962. Which is ancient?


22 posted on 08/25/2012 11:31:45 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Why worry so much about communists in the Gulf??? What about the one in the White House?????


23 posted on 08/25/2012 11:32:24 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Does anyone really believe that Russian nukes ever stopped patrolling our coasts?

They are not, never were and never will be our “friends”. Their intentions haven’t changed since 1948.

Did all of the communists suddenly die?

Putin is KGB and always will be KGB.


24 posted on 08/25/2012 11:37:12 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Duped and uninformed not a liar! AFAIK we know if a Russian sub left her base, too huge to be undetected...


25 posted on 08/25/2012 11:42:41 AM PDT by hamboy
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To: DeaconBenjamin

If it wasn’t detected, how does he know about it?


26 posted on 08/25/2012 11:45:41 AM PDT by Inconvenient Truthteller
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To: Hardraade

It’s possible that even the leak-happy 0bama regime would not disclose that the subs WERE detected. If the Russians knew we detected them, they would develop countermeasures, so.. Let them think we didn’t, then when the SHTF we can detect them. Okay, I dreaming.. Back to 0bama world.


27 posted on 08/25/2012 11:49:40 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: DeaconBenjamin

This isn’t news; it’s neocon propaganda. For anyone who worries about the future of Christian civilization, it isn’t Russian subs that are the problem.


28 posted on 08/25/2012 11:54:47 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Oztrich Boy; DesertRhino

The first B-52 (Serial Number 52-8711) was delivered to SAC on 29 June 1955.

The last B-52 (Serial Number 61-0040) was delivered to SAC on 26 October 1962.

So the BUFF is an old airplane.


29 posted on 08/25/2012 11:58:44 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

Is there anybody flying on a B-52 that was born before the plane was built?

(btw designed with slide rules, drawn with pencil on vellum, and the BOM was in 3-ring binders, LOL)


30 posted on 08/25/2012 12:01:38 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Romulus

Are you kidding? The operative factor is Christianity, and not geopolitics? LOL


31 posted on 08/25/2012 12:04:16 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Yes, exactly. The Church sees them all come and go.


32 posted on 08/25/2012 12:15:04 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: al baby

“He will have more flexibility after his reelection.”

Good one. When the Russkies install their navy/missile base in Cuba, the Bamster will probably welcome them to our hemisphere and send them some baloons and flowers. Maybe enclose an apology card for America’s awful treatment of them in the past. (sarc)


33 posted on 08/25/2012 12:15:40 PM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: nascarnation

There must be at least 1 person.


34 posted on 08/25/2012 12:16:47 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: hamboy
Two U.S. officials confirmed that the Akula’s incursion took place at the same time that Russia once again trotted out its Tupolevs into restricted airspace in June and July.

Was he duped by the US officials, or was this part of his report a lie?

35 posted on 08/25/2012 12:42:06 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: ASA Vet

“I’d be much more concerned about the Soviet Nuc Sub prowling around in the Great Lakes.”

They would simply be protecting the Commie base in Chicago?


36 posted on 08/25/2012 12:42:25 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Don’t pay any attention to this SUBteruge.

Repubicrats are shoving grandma over the cliff!


37 posted on 08/25/2012 12:48:59 PM PDT by IbJensen (Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: Dallas59

And what about the Marxist Brotherhood a.k.a the dhimmocrats?


38 posted on 08/25/2012 12:51:36 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as good as those who enforce it.)
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To: Romulus

If I’m reading you correctly, then my faith in a Christian God makes me unconcerned that the Soviets, er Russians, possibly send Akulas to the Gulf of Mexico.


39 posted on 08/25/2012 12:54:04 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
They are not, never were and never will be our “friends”. Their intentions haven’t changed since 1948 1917.

Agree, just making a small adjustment.

40 posted on 08/25/2012 12:54:38 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: A.A. Cunningham
The BUFF IS a dinosaur. It's a 60-year-old flying freight train that can be shot down with minimal effort by SAMs or even the lowest-end fighter.
41 posted on 08/25/2012 1:10:09 PM PDT by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: EricT.

But when you have complete air superiority and SAM suppression, it’s a nice bomb truck.


42 posted on 08/25/2012 1:27:53 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster
But when you have complete air superiority and SAM suppression, it’s a nice bomb truck.

Now THAT'S very true!

43 posted on 08/25/2012 1:33:16 PM PDT by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Was he duped by the US officials, or was this part of his report a lie?

Who knows. U.S. official who?

44 posted on 08/25/2012 1:44:55 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: DeaconBenjamin
My sources say that is was a

UFO

UNDERWATER FLOATING OBJECT!

45 posted on 08/25/2012 2:32:40 PM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar said "Quae cum ita sunt. Since these things are so.".)
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To: nascarnation
btw designed with slide rules, drawn with pencil on vellum, and the BOM was in 3-ring binders, LOL

That's the way it was done when I started a career in engineering. Our first computer was a time share with 110 baud access via teletype, programing language was FORTRAN II. I've lost count of the number of programming languages and operating systems I've run through. Things really got exciting when we started 3D solid modeling and rapid prototyping. Amazing what 40 years can bring...

Regards,
GtG

46 posted on 08/25/2012 5:21:06 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

I was at an air show earlier this summer.
Just happened to be talking to an old guy but still working at one of the big suppliers to Boeing.

He laughed in the old days when we used slide rules and drafting boards we could put out a new plane in 4 years, now with all the computerized stuff it takes 20.


47 posted on 08/25/2012 6:18:37 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

The ways I sees it—The Russian Communists are GONE—no more socialist world empire for the workers of the world. That’s dead BUT what didn’t die is Russian Nationalism and a desire for a Russian World Empire under the two headed eagle with the Orthodox Church to return the world to their brand of Christ. No more idealism of Marx, now it blatant Imperialism and power! This might be worse. Now its the Third Rome! They are not our friend—they will tell you Russia has no friends.


48 posted on 08/25/2012 7:01:18 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It’ a lost “Red” seal trying to find its way back to the Arctic circle.


49 posted on 08/25/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Redcitizen (What's on your end of the world music playlist?)
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