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The GOP Akin Problem Is Worse than They Think
Dianawest.net ^ | 8/24/2012 | Diana West

Posted on 08/25/2012 12:09:20 PM PDT by kreitzer

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To: donozark; WOSG; All
142 posted on Sat Aug 25 2012 17:53:26 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by donozark: “I do not necessarily disagree with what you say. But the reality is, Akin is our candidate. He is not leaving. He is PCA. He has said he is staying. And although Sept.25 is the last date to file his petition, Akin knows the overseas military ballots start going out on the 22nd. The absentee on the 25th. It matters little what people now say he should or shouldn't do. He's in this thing to the end...”

In case anyone wonders what the PCA reference means, here are two posts on what it means that Akin is a conservative, a graduate of Covenant Theological Seminary, and an elder in the Presbyterian Church in America:

Todd Akin is a PCA member and Covenant Seminary graduate
(Vanity)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2921258/posts

Being a Pastor and Speaking Out in Today’s Culture
By Dr. Michael Milton, Chancellor, Reformed Theological Seminary
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2922254/posts

Personally, I'm a member of an even more conservative denomination, the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church. The PCA is too broadly evangelical for me, but I'm the first one to say that both of our denominations have their problems.

To prove that Democrats can get some things right, go read Senator Webb's work on the Scots-Irish role on the settlement of the American frontier. One could make a good argument that Scottish blood makes Old School Presbyterians a pretty ornery bunch, and that's Webb's view. I personally think it has much more to do with a very high view of the role of the Old Testament that is shared by Calvinists whether they're Scots Presbyterians, English Puritans, Dutch Reformed, Swiss Reformed, Hungarian Reformed, Korean Presbyterians, or any of the other ethnic groups which have come to have large percentages of Calvinists either now or at some point in their history.

Too bad the Missouri Presbytery isn't one of the hard-core conservative presbyteries in the PCA. Akin might generate a lot of visitors to PCA churches when people realize the PCA is the Presbyterian equivalent of the Southern Baptist Convention -- a strongly conservative evangelical denomination that generally sticks to its guns about core beliefs. If he wins this election, I hope the PCA asks him to lead a seminar on Christian involvement in politics at the 2013 General Assembly, with all the media attention that will generate. Given the nonsense being done by the wacko liberals in the PC(USA), conservative Calvinists need some publicity, and Akin has overnight become the best-known Reformed political figure in the United States. Now we just need to be known for not eating baked feet for breakfast.

Fortunately most Calvinists are far more articulate than Akin was last weekend.

201 posted on 08/25/2012 9:08:37 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: paltz
Perfectly written article. It echoes everything I said about how the GOP was wrong and also politically stupid to do what they did to Akin.

Other than Huckabee attaching himself to Akin b/c his show is failing to beat Rush and he needs Akin to pump up his show that’s getting demolished everyday

Nonsense, Huckabee was standing on the principle of not acting like callous jerks to somebody because you think it will help you win an election. Fellow Congressman Steve King also defended Akin as did radio hosts Mike Gallagher and Steve Deace, both who vigorously encouraged him to stay in the race.

202 posted on 08/25/2012 9:14:24 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: chronicles
If he does not withdraw, I will support a write-in candidate.

What's more important, his staunchly conservative votes on social and fiscal issues that make him more conservative than either Romney or Ryan, or one sentence he misspoke on a talk show? If he stays in the race, what do you gain by having him lose? I'll take a Senator who says stupid stuff any day over one who's more liberal.

203 posted on 08/25/2012 9:18:22 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: Uncle Chip
If the GOP wants to win the seat it needs to suck it up and start running anti-McCaskill adds NOW.

Good point. Even if they don't fund Akin, what's wrong with them pointing out McCaskill's record to the voters? The voters can still decide who to vote for in her place.

204 posted on 08/25/2012 9:21:30 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: WOSG
Yup, he’s a strong conservative. This is why other conservatives and Republicans were so quick to make a big deal out of Akin’s dumb comments: They didn’t want his blunder to be seen as representative of *all of us*.

Wrong. He's got tons of conservative backers, especially Christian conservatives. But they aren't any RINOs and liberals like Scott Brown backing him.

Democrats are eager to paint all Republicans as medically ignorant and insensitive about rape, so Democrats want Akin to stay in, as a poster boy for right-wing Bidenisms, and Missouri Republicans want Akin out.

Missouri Republicans are running away from Mitt Romney more than they are from Todd Akin. They're disgusted with the way the national party has treated their Senate nominee.

205 posted on 08/25/2012 9:25:02 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: dps.inspect
In context what Akin said seems to diminishes the gravity of rape...

Absolutely false. Unless you are a 'Rat looking for an opening and overjoyed to find help from a panicked, useful-idiot GOP-E.

206 posted on 08/25/2012 9:47:19 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Syncro
Yea makes sense, Senator Brown the faux tea party candidate, a wolf draped in tea bags to get elected.

Yea makes sense, let's lose Missouri and Massachusetts! Missouri because we're wimps, and Massachusetts because we're principled conservatives far too pure to support the likes of Senator Brown. You make such perfect sense! For the DUmp!

207 posted on 08/25/2012 9:57:17 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: chronicles
I live in MO and I will not accept Akin when I know it will cost us the senate seat. He should withdraw so that a more reliable candidate can run on the Republican ticket.

If he does not withdraw, I will support a write-in candidate.

Splitting the vote between Akin and a write-in will "cost us the senate seat". And it will be your fault!

208 posted on 08/25/2012 10:11:26 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: JediJones

First of all, I want to thank you for being civil in your comments even though we may disagree on this issue.

If he stays in the race and loses, he will have no vote to cast.

If there is no viable write-in candidate, I will be forced to vote for Akin and hope he keeps future blunders to a minimum. We cannot keep handing the DEMS these weapons to use against us. It may be a double standard, but it is the world we live in.

I am NOT having him lose, that is something he has inflicted on himself.


209 posted on 08/25/2012 10:13:15 PM PDT by chronicles
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To: cynwoody

OK, blame me for Akin’s blunder, that makes perfect sense.


210 posted on 08/25/2012 10:15:12 PM PDT by chronicles
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To: xzins

“She was 7-10 points behind before ... “ Todd Akin stepped in it. If you can get TIME, MSNBC, talk show hosts, Team Obama and Democrats coast to coast to STFU about it, be my guest.
They are the ones trashing Akin, and the rest of the GOP as well for it.


211 posted on 08/25/2012 10:17:19 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole AmericaÂ’s promise!)
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To: JediJones

“He’s got tons of conservative backers,”

Latest poll from Mason-Dixon shows a near-majority of *Republicans* want him to quit.

“Missouri Republicans are running away from Mitt Romney more than they are from Todd Akin.”
Nope. Same poll shows Romney with solid Republican support and leading Obama by 7.
Akin has weak GOP support, trails 53-35 among independents and is down 9 versus McCaskill.

Quit blaming other people for Akin’s bad campaign and gaffes. Todd Akin needs to own up and be accountable and you need to quit bashing the party for daring to try to salvage this seat. Todd Akin through his own actions is losing to McCaskill.


212 posted on 08/25/2012 10:31:07 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole AmericaÂ’s promise!)
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To: JediJones
I'll take a Senator who says stupid stuff any day over one who's more liberal.

Just replace the last word of your above quote with liberal, and you have Joe Biden and a DU quote.

Look in the mirror man, don't conservatives deserve better than a conservative gaffe prone Joe Biden clone.

213 posted on 08/25/2012 10:31:20 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: JediJones
He's got tons of conservative backers, especially Christian conservatives.

Of course Akin's biggest backer is Claire McCaskill, along with her $2 million check.

214 posted on 08/25/2012 10:35:49 PM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: WOSG

Ditto.


215 posted on 08/25/2012 10:38:23 PM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: JediJones
Just replace the last word of your above quote with liberal, and you have Joe Biden and a DU quote.

Per your reply #203, I should have said conservative, so your quote in #203 should be,

I'll take a Senator who says stupid stuff any day over one who's more liberal.

And the italicized quote when you replace the last word with "Conservative", one gets a typical DU quote, basically saying that Biden and Akin are idiots and all I'm asking is that conservatives deserve better than a conservative gaffe prone Joe Biden clone, Todd Akin.

216 posted on 08/25/2012 10:38:53 PM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff

If I was a liberal, of course I’d support Biden over a conservative. Issues are what matter, not personalities.

We deserve better than pretty much our entire government. But the smartest, best-qualified people don’t go into government usually because the private sector offers better rewards for their talents. Just look at conservative talk radio. If you can find this magic line-up of brilliant, highly educated conservatives with great communication skills waiting to run for office, let us all know where they’re hiding.


217 posted on 08/25/2012 11:24:38 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: chronicles

“If there is no viable write-in candidate, I will be forced to vote for Akin.”

... and that’s my perspective as well.


218 posted on 08/26/2012 2:07:48 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: cynwoody

Awww just gee, can’t you Akinites acknowledge he fumbled the ball, no change that to, he ran the ball into the wrong end zone. Of course we conservative must vote for him, just like we must vote for Romney... dosn’t mean we have to like it, and I sure as hell don’t like Akin, but I’ll get over it and vote for him. You better get used to the idea we conservative are not a homogenized group either... there are the snake handler christians at the edged of the far right cliff and then there are the amoral small government is better folks to the left of center, I preside somewhere in the middle. Make a deal with you I’ll vote for that idiot Akin if you vote for the etch a sketch Romney... Deal?


219 posted on 08/26/2012 7:27:28 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: cynwoody
Yea makes sense, Senator Brown the faux tea party candidate, a wolf draped in
tea bags to get elected.

Yea makes sense, let's lose Missouri and Massachusetts!

What an hysterical statement as a reply to my comment describing how Brown got elected.

If Brown is your kind of politician, fine.

I prefer conservatives.

What's with posters like you that if you don't like what another poster says, you insult them with ridiculous attacks?

Perhaps as you are not a principled Conservative and support liberal Congress critter that explains the hysterical attack.

PS like your cute little nickname "the DUmp!"

220 posted on 08/26/2012 2:20:29 PM PDT by Syncro (The Tea Party is Dead!--MSM/Dems *** Long Live The Tea Party!***)
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