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To: servo1969

Sounds like New York’s finest could use some brushing up on the use of deadly force.
Seven and nine shots? What happened to the “double tap”? Or even two center body-mass and one to the head if the first two don’t drop the target? Is this not taught in police academies any more?


7 posted on 08/25/2012 2:02:18 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David
No kidding. In all the NON-POLICE training I have had for IDPA and CCW Classes, it is stressed two shots in the mid section. Pop-Pop, FINGER OFF TRIGGER! Two shots from a nine millimeter center mass with hollow point loads will STOP even a large man.

These guys over reacted and panicked and they cost NINE people serious wounds and a great deal of pain. So much for everyday hero's.

10 posted on 08/25/2012 2:12:03 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: The_Reader_David

If you’ve ever had the occasion to shoot any living thing, let alone a human, unless you can turn the lights out with one in the brainpan, the target simply does not instantly stop most times.

However.......from eight feet and wounding nine others...
Of course NY cops I bet are almost never exposed to stress such as scenario based IDPA, IPSC - USPSA type action shooting.

Unless they have been actively involved in combat, IDPA, IPSC or USPSA a once a year static qualification on a stationary paper target is woefully inadequate - as the results in this shooting have demonstrated.


15 posted on 08/25/2012 2:47:06 PM PDT by LFOD (Formerly - Iraq, Afgahnistan - back home in Dixie.)
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To: The_Reader_David; All
In reality, you keep shooting until the threat is down and no longer a threat.

I thought the cops did not do too badly, considering they were confronting an armed man at close range who had just murdered a man.

Most people miss when shooting in a gunfight. These officers did better than average. From the video, it appears to me that the closest officer probably got most of the hits. He is shooting two handed, is closer, and seems more focused. The officer who is farther away is retreating and firing one handed. He does not seem as focused.

All three participants are moving. Shooting while moving is difficult.

To me, it appears to be suicide by cop.

29 posted on 08/25/2012 5:33:17 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: The_Reader_David

No, cops are told that they need to empty the whole magazine so they can later cover their arses in court, crying to the judge: “I was so scared, I kept shooting”. If they do not like emotional shooters in court, it apparently makes them cold blooded killers in court. So, there goes...


45 posted on 08/25/2012 8:20:37 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: The_Reader_David

“Sounds like New York’s finest could use some brushing up on the use of deadly force.”

I saw the security video and it looks like they DID hit him in the head at least once...could the bullets have then ricocheted or fragmented and struck the bystanders?


47 posted on 08/25/2012 9:25:41 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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