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To: School of Rational Thought
Let's see: a construction worker, in hard hat approaches an officer who is in blue uniform. Worker witnessed someone fire 5 rounds (incl. one to the head) around the corner, and has followed "who he has ID'd had done it". He points this person out to the officer, who now has to 1.)believe him, or take it at face value and 2.) begin to follow and then challenge/stop the individual. Does this on the sidewalk in front of the Empire State Bldg at approx. 9 AM with massive vehicle/bus traffic (one way) on 5th Avenue and thousands of pedestrian foot traffic.

Officer is not undercover and the approach is in full view and the suspect clues in to the officer by noting others looking at him coming from behind him. Then officer verbally asks him to stop, and he pulls a .45 and points it at the officer and his partner. When officer does this, people scatter screaming in all directions, officers draw their weapons and don't wait for a shot. They shoot in a highly charged crowded noisy setting and finally drop the suspect. This all happens (visible on video) in 6 seconds.

Point may be made that all rounds should have been penetrating and then the collateral hits from overpenetration more acceptable. Not walking in the shoes of the officers, most sensible people, even those with combat experience (and not police experience, which is not the same thing) would allow as to how looking down and past/around a gunsight in this setting could affect the aim point. It would help to have fewer keyboard/firing range commandos commenting, whether they ever were real commandos or even veteran police officers. It would be well to wait for the full report and ballistics and re-visit this. It certainly serves no purpose other than abuse to denigrate someone's service by assumption of a "desk job". In fact, the thought and commentary isn't rational at all. Deo Vindice.

133 posted on 08/26/2012 10:42:07 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: John S Mosby
Not walking in the shoes of the officers, most sensible people, even those with combat experience (and not police experience, which is not the same thing) would allow as to how looking down and past/around a gunsight in this setting could affect the aim point.

Bullcrap! "Sensible people" don't make excuses for nine misses at ten feet in a crowded street. People addicted to the taste of boot polish, do.

136 posted on 08/26/2012 11:12:42 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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