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To: Popman
NYPD probably need to step up their training programs to include these situations...

Live shooter @ 34th and 5th is a nightmare tactical scenario for the defender(s), not sure how to run the scenario with a good outcome.

32 posted on 08/26/2012 7:11:40 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Jim Noble
Live shooter @ 34th and 5th is a nightmare tactical scenario for the defender(s), not sure how to run the scenario with a good outcome.

I suspect that most of the arm chair critics have never even been to Mid-town Manhattan at 9:00 am on a work day. There were probably more people within a hundred yards of the shooter than than the total number of people who live in the little towns and villages where these critics reside.

With that said, I know several NYC cops, and I'm willing ot bet that I spend more time at the range in a month than they spend in a year.

87 posted on 08/26/2012 8:29:46 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Jim Noble

“Live shooter @ 34th and 5th is a nightmare tactical scenario for the defender(s), not sure how to run the scenario with a good outcome.”

Here is a simple answer:
1. Shootee is 8 feet away from the shooters.
2. Shooters have been trained to hit the bullseye of a standard Police “L” target. That is a five inch diameter black disk.
3. Shooters are on the streets in uniform and are “qualified” to carry and use their weapon. Supposedly, they can hit that 5 inch circle at 75 feet.
4. FIrearms trainers assume a 12 inch circle will cover vital organs in a center of mass body shot. Students are trained to place 2 rounds center of mass and then 1 round in the head if the shootee keeps on approaching or is otherwise a lethal threat.
5. Remember that the head of the shootee is larger than five inched in diameter (assuming he is not a Libtard).
6. Any qualified shooter should have been able to do body shot hits, if not head shots at 8 feet.

As the Libtards on National Palisimian Radio like to say, “Let’s do the numbers”. Shooters (NYPD Boyz-N-Blu) do not keep their bullets in the shootee’s body at a range of 8 feet!

Require all training to be done by an independent business, and use open bids to select the training company.

Trainers like Front Sight, and Profire, to use just two that I am familiar with, could easily provide qualified training and turn NYPD police into competent shooters, not merely “Deadly Donut Eaters”.

Matter of fact, a trainer at Profire can put all of his Glock magazine through the hole in a donut at 8 feet. His wife could easily center all of her shots in the hole.

NRA has it right - “Practice Does not make Perfect. Perfect Practice makes Perfect”.

As NYC will soon discover, training is cheaper than judgements.

Conclusion: NYPD has inadequate hand gun training.

Not a difficult task, by the way as my students can all do that and they are beginning shooters.
3. Said bullseye is


106 posted on 08/26/2012 9:03:11 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Jim Noble
Live shooter @ 34th and 5th is a nightmare tactical scenario for the defender(s), not sure how to run the scenario with a good outcome.

Nuke 'em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

-- Ripley, Aliens

175 posted on 08/27/2012 1:23:19 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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