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To: 2CAVTrooper
So the military isn’t supposed to be trained on how to clear a room without blowing up an entire city block?

I didn't say that. But they sure can do it [the training] w/o the police.

That’s part of the reason why they train with SWAT teams. And it’s not everyone in the military who does this training BTW. The Marines assigned to protect carriers and other “capital ships” go through this sort of training.

Yeah.. I was 11B and on train-up to go to Iraq we covered this training... and guess what: there were no integrated police exercises. In fact the only overlap we had were the National Guard guys who were Police on their civilian-side job.

Force Recon Marines have the mission of VBSS (Visit Board Search and Seizure). Do they not need to be trained in SWAT style tactics?

See the above; but that also begs the question: do police need military-style tactics? (That is SWAT.)

But you and some of the others apparently like the idea of more of our troops coming home in body bags because they hav’t got a clue as to how to properly clear a room/structure.

What are you talking about? Just because I wish a very thick and distinct line between civilian operations and military operations (and hence find police/military armed-exercise integration disturbing) does not mean that I wish my fellow veterans to die.

“Sir, how should we clear the building?”
“We’ll throw squad after squad in there until either we’re all dead or the enemy is dead”

Ah, I see you've served under Captain Zapp Branagan.

199 posted on 08/30/2012 3:59:24 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

“I didn’t say that.”

You implied it did you not?

“But they sure can do it [the training] w/o the police.”

The police were the ones who developed such tactics.

“See the above; but that also begs the question: do police need military-style tactics? (That is SWAT.)”

In some cases they do. In dealing with gangs/drug cartel members, bank robberies, hostage rescue, counter terrorist ops, barricaded subjects, etc.... All of which are far beyond the capabilities of a regular beat cop.


208 posted on 09/04/2012 10:38:46 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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