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Robert Reich: How Romney Gets Away With So Many Lies
Business Insider ^ | 08/29/2012 | Robert Reichhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted on 08/29/2012 7:16:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

“We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers,” says Neil Newhouse, a Romney pollster.

A half dozen fact-checking organizations and websites have refuted Romney’s claims that Obama removed the work requirement from the welfare law and will cut Medicare benefits by $216 billion.

Last Sunday’s New York Times even reported on its front page that Romney has been “falsely charging” President Obama with removing the work requirement. Those are strong words from the venerable Times. Yet Romney is still making the false charge. Ads containing it continue to be aired.

Presumably the Romney campaign continues its false claims because they’re effective. But this raises a more basic question: How can they remain effective when they’ve been so overwhelmingly discredited by the media?

The answer is the Republican Party has developed three means of bypassing the mainstream media and its fact-checkers.

The first is by repeating big lies so often in TV spots – financed by a mountain of campaign money – that the public can no longer recall (if it ever knew) that the mainstream media and its fact-checkers have found them to be lies.

The second is by discrediting the mainstream media – asserting it’s run by “liberal elites” that can’t be trusted to tell the truth. “I am tired of the elite media protecting Barack Obama by attacking Republicans,” Newt Gingrich charged at a Republican debate last January, in what’s become a standard GOP attack line.

The third is by using its own misinformation outlets – led by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and his yell-radio imitators, book publisher Regnery, and the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, along with a right-wing blogosphere – to spread the lies, or at least spread doubt about what’s true.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: demlies; lies; robertreich; romney
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1 posted on 08/29/2012 7:16:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The Twerp speaks.


2 posted on 08/29/2012 7:17:27 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"A half dozen fact-checking organizations and websites have refuted Romney’s claims that Obama removed the work requirement from the welfare law and will cut Medicare benefits by $216 billion."

Nonsense. A half dozen highly partisan organizations calling themselves "fact-checkers" have made the bald assertion that Romney's claim was false without providing a shred of evidence to back it up. That is spin, not a refutation.

3 posted on 08/29/2012 7:18:18 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

Stand up Bob! Oops! Sorry. You are standing up.


4 posted on 08/29/2012 7:18:40 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Had enough of the freaks running the show yet?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Someone in prime time...maybe Ryan or Romney themselves, need to list the new ‘acceptable’ types of work that qualifies as a work. Many of them generate zero income. It is clearly meant to nullify the work requirements.


5 posted on 08/29/2012 7:19:53 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, please! The Democrats are the biggest bunch of liars ever to befoul American politics! And it starts at the top.


6 posted on 08/29/2012 7:20:18 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Those are strong words from the venerable Times.

lol

7 posted on 08/29/2012 7:21:27 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: SeekAndFind

I like the way Democrats accuse other people of what they do.


8 posted on 08/29/2012 7:21:47 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The first priority is get Obama out of the White House.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So we are relying on “fact-check” websites to find out if the pResident removed the work requirement from welfare reform?

Why not just look at THE ORDER HE SIGNED


9 posted on 08/29/2012 7:22:14 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: popdonnelly
Oh, please! The Democrats are the biggest bunch of liars ever to befoul American politics! And it starts at the top.

Soooo, Al Gore did NOT invent the internet?

In the words of Felix Unger...."don't toy with me, Oscar."

10 posted on 08/29/2012 7:22:16 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: SeekAndFind

The “One-pound bag” speaks again.


11 posted on 08/29/2012 7:22:29 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: popdonnelly

I like the way Democrats accuse other people of what they do.
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Yep. Projection is their middle name.


12 posted on 08/29/2012 7:23:40 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pure, unabashed projection from the most haughty, smug little prick in the universe.


13 posted on 08/29/2012 7:24:12 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: SeekAndFind

F.O., short fry!


14 posted on 08/29/2012 7:24:32 AM PDT by theDentist (FYBO/FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: ilgipper

I’m thinking I would do my best to qualify recipients “work” at activities like journaling, bed rest, massage or motivational reading, especially the reading part. I’ve got such a stack of books on my nightstand.


15 posted on 08/29/2012 7:26:48 AM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Authorizing the STATES to REMOVE THE WORK REQUIREMENT, is not the same as Obama erasing it himself....doncha know....?


16 posted on 08/29/2012 7:28:40 AM PDT by G Larry (Progressives are Regressive because their objectives devolve to the lowest common denominator.)
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To: Mr. K

Do you have a link to the order?


17 posted on 08/29/2012 7:28:55 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: SeekAndFind
But a society without trusted arbiters of what is true and what is false is vulnerable to every lie imaginable.

And who are these 'trusted' arbiters? Are they infallible? Are they immune to human bias? Who 'chooses' the arbiters?

Its hard to see how Argumentum ad Verecundiam can be other than fallacious in the world of politics, where men of differing worldviews tend to draw divergent conclusions from the same data.

18 posted on 08/29/2012 7:30:43 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: SeekAndFind
How can they remain effective when they’ve been so overwhelmingly discredited by the media?

BWAHAHAHAHA, snort, pause, BWAHAHAHA!

The media?

Which media?

The one operating in the US of A?

19 posted on 08/29/2012 7:32:15 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: G Larry

Yes and I’ve heard the libs say this gives states more control and flexibility, and hey that’s what the conservatives love: state’s rights.
See how they twist it?


20 posted on 08/29/2012 7:33:25 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: SeekAndFind
Obama removed the work requirement from the welfare law and will cut Medicare benefits by $216 billion.

Reich is right. It is a lie. It's more like 700 BILLION.

21 posted on 08/29/2012 7:33:25 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (I can haz CW 2 now?)
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To: SeekAndFind; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; Impy; ...
HA-HA, as if Obama’s campaign isnt lying too, like that middle class tax increase ad by Obama against Romney.

The Obama welfare ad by Romney is as legitimate as that.

Watching Dems go into a tizzy over Romney's 'lies' when they think (them and Obama) lying about Romney is great strategy is entertaining.

Hell, what if we (could) put up some-one who was honest against Obama? wouldnt that be like disarming one side before a fight?

22 posted on 08/29/2012 7:33:57 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: SeekAndFind

” led by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and his yell-radio imitators, book publisher Regnery, and the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, along with a right-wing blogosphere”

as opposed to ABCCBSNBCMSNBCCNN, letfty nutjobs, Obamamaniacs, OWS, failed car companies, failed solar energy, failed lefty politicians & their mouthpieces and all other lefty mouth breathers including Robert Reeeeeiiiccchhh...


23 posted on 08/29/2012 7:34:03 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: popdonnelly

My thoughts exactly.

This nothing more than classic Dem projection.


24 posted on 08/29/2012 7:34:12 AM PDT by NOVACPA
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To: SeekAndFind

Little Bobby is the munchkin that lied and lied and lied for Clinton, and he is lying now.


25 posted on 08/29/2012 7:35:05 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Does the Turd Reich lie about his heigth?


26 posted on 08/29/2012 7:35:30 AM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: SeekAndFind
But this raises a more basic question: How can they remain effective when they’ve been so overwhelmingly discredited by the media?
Or, rather, isn't it just terrible that the new media has so crippled the ability of our tame media mouthpieces to shape our lies into accepted truths?
27 posted on 08/29/2012 7:35:38 AM PDT by jdege
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To: SeekAndFind
Give it up fools the liars are known and they are Obama and his Chicago thugs..now they are bringing the Arkansas Mob in to boot..
28 posted on 08/29/2012 7:36:00 AM PDT by PLD
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To: SeekAndFind
Robert Bernard Reich ( /ˈraɪʃ/;[2] born June 24, 1946) is an American political economist, professor, author, and political commentator. He served in the administrations of Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter and was Secretary of Labor under President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 1997.


29 posted on 08/29/2012 7:39:55 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

When even Alice Rivlin, Clinton’s chief economist, agrees with Romney, you’d think that Reich would give it up. I guess he’s hoping BO would want to diversify his second term cabinet by appointing a white dwarf to some post.


30 posted on 08/29/2012 7:40:19 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Mr. K

“Why not just look at THE ORDER HE SIGNED”

Please post it here so we can use it!


31 posted on 08/29/2012 7:41:34 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: ilgipper
omeone in prime time...maybe Ryan or Romney themselves, need to list the new ‘acceptable’ types of work that qualifies as a work. Many of them generate zero income. It is clearly meant to nullify the work requirements.

Counting "journaling" as a work activity is probably the most egregious.

Dear Diary, I didn't do $#!( today and I got paid by the government for it.

Is it reasonable to count something like real job training such as electrician school as meeting the work requirement? Sure and if the law needs to be changed to cover that then Congress should do that. Unilaterally changing the requirement in probable violation of the explicit terms of the law to allow journaling, exercise or massage instead of work. Nope!

32 posted on 08/29/2012 7:43:13 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Cardinal Dolan's DNC prayer is titled "Ritus exorcizandi obsessor a daemonio")
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To: popdonnelly

“Projection” is more than putting an image up on a screen.

It is a total denial of what the Democrat party is doing, while claiming the Republicans (and particularly conservatives) are doing just exactly what the Democrats have been doing all the time.

Therefore, the claim that “everybody does it”.

I’m calling BS on this. Lying about lying does not negate the fact that lying is going on.

Not everybody dissembles, prevaricates or obfuscates. Sometimes, a real and verifiable fact does escape captivity.

Then all hell breaks loose.


33 posted on 08/29/2012 7:45:38 AM PDT by alloysteel (Are you better off than you were four years ago? Well, are you?)
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To: SeekAndFind

By not lying?


34 posted on 08/29/2012 7:46:30 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Imagine that, a half dozen liberal fact checkers looking for an obvious fact, and they still haven’t found one. What more proof do we need that liberals are useless?


35 posted on 08/29/2012 7:48:34 AM PDT by pallis
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To: SeekAndFind

Imagine that, a half dozen liberal fact checkers looking for an obvious fact, and they still haven’t found one. What more proof do we need that liberals are useless?


36 posted on 08/29/2012 7:48:38 AM PDT by pallis
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To: popdonnelly

Exactly what I was thinking. Projecting I believe it is called.


37 posted on 08/29/2012 7:52:24 AM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The Twerp speaks.

Sawed off twerp.

38 posted on 08/29/2012 7:55:26 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: SeekAndFind

When I read something Reich wrote, I picture him reading it outloud dressed as an ooompa-loompa, then I laugh and laugh and laugh....


39 posted on 08/29/2012 8:00:47 AM PDT by apillar
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To: DBrow

Obama Guts Welfare Reform
Robert Rector and Kiki Bradley
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/12/obama-guts-welfare-reform/

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/policy/im-ofa/2012/im201203/im201203.html

Today the Obama Administration issued a new directive stating that the traditional TANF work requirements can be waived or overridden by a legal device called the section 1115 waiver authority under the Social Security law (42 U.S.C. 1315).
Section 1115 states that “the Secretary may waive compliance with any of the requirements” of specified parts of various laws. But this is not an open-ended authority: Any provision of law that can be waived under section 1115 must be listed in section 1115 itself. The work provisions of the TANF program are contained in section 407 (entitled, appropriately, “mandatory work requirements”). Critically, this section, as well as most other TANF requirements, are deliberately not listed in section 1115; they are not waiveable.
In establishing TANF, Congress deliberately exempted or shielded nearly all of the TANF program from the section 1115 waiver authority. They did not want the law to be rewritten at the whim of Health and Human Services (HHS) bureaucrats. Of the roughly 35 sections of the TANF law, only one is listed as waiveable under section 1115. This is section 402.
Section 402 describes state plans—reports that state governments must file to HHS describing the actions they will undertake to comply with the many requirements established in the other sections of the TANF law. The authority to waive section 402 provides the option to waive state reporting requirements only, not to overturn the core requirements of the TANF program contained in the other sections of the TANF law.
The new Obama dictate asserts that because the work requirements, established in section 407, are mentioned as an item that state governments must report about in section 402, all the work requirements can be waived. This removes the core of the TANF program; TANF becomes a blank slate that HHS bureaucrats and liberal state bureaucrats can rewrite at will.


40 posted on 08/29/2012 8:01:29 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: SeekAndFind
From a communist that has never told the truth in his miserable marxist life.

LLS

41 posted on 08/29/2012 8:06:09 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (If romney is our only chance... we have less of a chance than a Massachusetts fetus.)
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To: txrefugee
Amongst the academic progressives that I know... reichhhhhhhhh the commie is an economic god. I think that he is a rich communist elite... like the leadership of the soviet union of old.

LLS

42 posted on 08/29/2012 8:10:31 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (If romney is our only chance... we have less of a chance than a Massachusetts fetus.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Mitt Romney, Salt Lake City Olympics dwarf tossing champion
43 posted on 08/29/2012 8:15:28 AM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: circlecity

The interesting part is the fact that fact-checking requires supposedly entire “organizations”, sort of like global warming is a “unanimous consensus” of all “legitimate scientists”.


44 posted on 08/29/2012 8:23:55 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey, Bob, stand up. Oh, you are.


45 posted on 08/29/2012 8:35:58 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: SeekAndFind

I am sick of the Liberals calling everybody who disagrees with them, “liars.”


46 posted on 08/29/2012 8:39:40 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

RATs by definition are liars, IMO.


47 posted on 08/29/2012 8:42:55 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Mr. K
Why not just look at THE ORDER HE SIGNED

The most transparent administration EVER! would like to direct you away from
checking official government documents when seeking information.

48 posted on 08/29/2012 8:43:38 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: SeekAndFind

Stand up Robert....... stand up for what you believe!!

Oops, sorry, I forgot. You suffer from the Yassar Arafat syndrome


49 posted on 08/29/2012 8:49:20 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: SeekAndFind

Need any further proof that in a second Obama term the Libs intend to shut down talk radio and close down websites like FR?

They always tip their hand on what they plan to do when liberal academics start chattering about it a few years in advance.


50 posted on 08/29/2012 8:53:01 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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