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To: bimboeruption; wideawake; Stayingawayfromthedarkside; All
Dear Enlightened Wideawake One,

Please tell me what this prayer means. I being a foolish, Christian American, who speaks only English, don’t have a clue.

First of all, don't impugn wideawake's conservatism. He is one of the most consistently conservative people on this forum (and probably its most intelligent). Furthermore he is a staunch champion of Biblical inerrancy, including the first eleven chapters of Genesis which so many so-called "inerrantists" want to dance around. That's right--he's a creationist. Some respect is called for.

Why wouldn’t we vote for a Jewish person?

Because you seem to be indicating that only chrstians should be elected to political office (or at least the Presidency) in this country. I know that as a devout Fundamentalist chrstian you consider the Hebrew Bible to be from G-d. But this means you consider the Jews to be the "cub scouts" for the "boy scouts" of chrstianity. While this position is mandated by your acceptance of the Hebrew Bible, the fact remains that you accept Jews on chrstian terms, not on Jewish terms (which aren't the same as multiculturalist terms). As a chrstian you have to do this, but I hope you realize that the Jews do not recognize their religion as a preparation for chrstianity at all, to be complete in itself, and that chrstianity is therefore at least philosophically in error and at most idolatrous. I understand chrstians can't accept this, but they should understand that this is the Jewish position.

I myself am a Noachide, and even I can't in good conscious pray to J*sus or the "trinity" or say "amen" to such a prayer--not because it is "intolerant" but because it is a prayer to a false "gxd." At least the Sikhs don't believe in a "trinity" or an "incarnation."

NB to all FReepers: the Left has pushed multiculturalism, "tolerance," and "pluralism" for so long that an Anglo-Protestant nativist reaction has long been inevitable, and I believe is beginning manifest itself. However much this clashes with the modern worldview, I ask you all to remember that the identification of the United States as a nation created primarily for Anglo-Protestants is not Nazism. For most of this country's history bimboeruption's opinions would not have alarmed or surprised anyone. Jews have lived in the US from the beginning, and managed to survive just fine in the old America where abortion and sodomy were crimes and Protestantism was taught in most public schools. You and I may disagree with him/her for reasons of religion or our understanding of history, but there is no barbed wire involved in this worldview whatsoever. It is the standard ethno-identitarian conception that until recently all nations had of themselves.

Let's count to ten and calm down . . . okay?

40 posted on 08/29/2012 3:34:25 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I’ve been on FR since 1998...

Where in ANY of my posts have I indicated I wouldn’t vote for a Jewish person?


41 posted on 08/29/2012 3:47:58 PM PDT by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Thanks for the compliments - separate from them it was a very good post.

I would say that we have had presidents, senators and justices who, while ethnically British, were not Christians in any sense that a modern Christian Fundamentalist would recognize.

That includes John Quincy Adams and Abraham Lincoln.

A general belief in Providence was the preferred religion for much of America's ruling classes in the 1800s.

It wasn't until aggressively atheist and socialist foreign ideologies came to our shores that views began tightening up.

45 posted on 08/29/2012 4:10:05 PM PDT by wideawake
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