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To: Hemingway's Ghost

No. The end has not been written. We see the continuance of the destruction of the United STATES of American in its relentless march toward the United STATE of America thanks entirely to Abe Lincoln and northern Federalist. Your point about the “threatened existence” of the nation makes no sense, given that the nation — as it was founded — was destroyed in 1865.

Another fact that fails is your “continue to exist” comment. The U.S. would have continued on, only without the southern states.

I come from the perspective that slavery was an abominable institution and would have ended eventually anyway, as it did in ever other western, civilized nation. Keeping in mind that the war was NOT fought to free slaves — and that by forcing “free” men of the South to be slaves to a union — there is NO moral high ground to be claimed...unless you believe there is nobility in freeing black people while enslaving white people.

This has been kicked around a million times on FR, but one simple fact NEVER changes...the path to a repressive central government began with the WBTS...whether you believe that war was fought for the right reasons or not. To champion that “victory” is to champion slavery by an all powerful federal government. Period.

So much for being on the “right” side.


32 posted on 08/30/2012 7:59:56 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
I come from the perspective that slavery was an abominable institution and would have ended eventually anyway, as it did in ever other western, civilized nation.

Baloney. Under the guise of state rights, the Confederacy seceded and went to war over the notion that they had the God-given right to enslave human beings for economic advantage. The Confederacy went to war to defend its social and economic system in perpetuity, not to have the fruits of their toil - if successful - wither on the vine in a few years. Yours is wishful thinking; you're applying modern sentiments and sensibilities to a 19th century issue.

Keeping in mind that the war was NOT fought to free slaves — and that by forcing “free” men of the South to be slaves to a union — there is NO moral high ground to be claimed...unless you believe there is nobility in freeing black people while enslaving white people.

No rhetorical trick of yours can ever equate the "slavery" of being governed by a federal government to actual "slavery," in which one race of human being is considered chattel by another - actual property - and is denied the basic human rights granted to them by God. Cut out the awkward, self-serving attempts to do so.

God was watching, and you were on the wrong side. The end.

34 posted on 08/30/2012 8:21:01 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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