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George Will Calls Out Washington Post Fact-Checker
NewsBusters.org ^ | September 3, 2012 | Noel Sheppard

Posted on 09/03/2012 6:01:18 PM PDT by Kaslin

Since Wednesday, the Obama-loving media have been working overtime trying to disprove a number of statements made by Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan during their respective speeches at the Republican National Convention in Tampa.

On ABC's This Week Sunday, George Will called out Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler for claiming Ryan had mislead Americans about a GM plant closing in Janesville, Wisconsin (video follows with transcript and commentary):

George Will Calls Out Washington Post Fact-Checker

MATTHEW DOWD, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: From my perspective, what happened at this convention is that nobody is calling on it, or maybe a few people are calling on it. Paul Ryan, what he did in his speech, I think, so stretched the truth, and I like Paul Ryan, I have a lot of great respect for Paul Ryan, but the (INAUDIBLE) that he said about closing the GM plant, which closed before Barack Obama took president, about the Simpson-Bowles bill which -- Simpson-Bowles, which he opposed, and then all of a sudden you see faults Barack Obama for, at some point the truth should matter.

GEORGE WILL: At every particular and what he said about the GM plant was right. He did not say it closed before Obama became president. The one who said that was the so-called fact checker at The Washington Post who got it wrong. He said it was closed in December 2008. In fact it was making trucks in April 2009.

DOWD: George, the way he -- when anybody that is watching that that didn't know the facts of it, anybody watching that speech, whether they -- as I say, just like the welfare thing, anybody coming away from that believes one thing.

And you're saying the fact may be right, he was trying to convey that Barack Obama was responsible for the closing of the GM plant, and that isn't true.

WILL: He said, "especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory" - entirely true.

Indeed. Here's the relevant portion of Ryan's speech:

President Barack Obama came to office during an economic crisis, as he has reminded us a time or two. Those were very tough days, and any fair measure of his record has to take that into account. My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory.

A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: “I believe that if our government is there to support you … this plant will be here for another hundred years.” That’s what he said in 2008.

Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that’s how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: medialies; wp
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1 posted on 09/03/2012 6:01:22 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Well, the liberal view is out there, that Ryan’s speech was full of lies.

I don’t see a single lie in what Ryan said.

The liberals are all over him because he was a member of the Simpson-Bowles commission, and how dare he criticize Obama over that, when Ryan voted against the commission recommendations.

Well, it’s a truism, but a fact that, Democrats run against the Republicans. Republicans have to run against both the Democrats and the media.


2 posted on 09/03/2012 6:05:24 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Kaslin
“MATTHEW DOWD, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST”

Same as:

“ADOLPH HITLER, JEWISH RABBI”

Matthew Dowd, his picture is next to the word “tool” in the Dictionary.

3 posted on 09/03/2012 6:11:20 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Republicans Hope people are Smart, but Democrats Know people are Stupid.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Who cares if Ryan voted against Simpson - Bowles.... he’s not the president. What would his vote do ?


4 posted on 09/03/2012 6:13:25 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: mike_9958

Well you have to be liberal to understand the reasoning.

The reasoning is that, while the president didn’t do anything about Simpson-Bowles, that Ryan as a member of that commission voted against the recommendations, meaning that Ryan wouldn’t have done anything with the recommendations either, if Ryan had been president.

I think it’s absurd reasoning, but that’s how liberals view this issue.

Ryan’s vote, and the votes of others on the commission, were meaningless anyway, in terms of legislation. It was all up to the president to review their findings, and then work with Congress to pass appropriate legislation. Obama did nothing. The liberals simply want to deflect blame.

The liberals also don’t want to admit that Obama has piled up trillions in new debt. It’s not his fault according to liberals.


5 posted on 09/03/2012 6:19:57 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

What Ryan said was 100% accurate. He even gave the title to him of “candidate Obama” and said the speech was given in 2008 during the campaign. Then he said the plant closed and remains closed so the promised recovery has not come. With the introductory context he even went out of his way to say Obama was not responsible for the closure of the plant but was responsible for his empty rhetoric and failure to bring a recovery as the plant remains closed.

Those who are saying Ryan lied are the ones who are lying. Ryan did not lie - and absolutely no credible case can be made that he did.


6 posted on 09/03/2012 6:20:31 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Ryan voted against the debt commission’s recommendations because it wanted to raise taxes, and then offered his own plan. What plan has Obama offered?


7 posted on 09/03/2012 6:24:04 PM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: Kaslin

The marxistmedia rotate to “factcheck” outfits. The *pants on fire outfit* was filled with pulitzer prize winners while the managers were ex-pulitzer board members. I checked them out a few years ago.


8 posted on 09/03/2012 6:31:13 PM PDT by bronxville ( Obama "The true engine of economic growth will always be companies like Solyndra")
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To: KansasGirl

Obama can’t be worried about offering a plan of his own.

He wants to stop the rising of the oceans, and allow the planet to heal. Of course that is more important than worrying about balanced budgets. (sarcasm)


9 posted on 09/03/2012 6:38:11 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: KansasGirl

Obama can’t be worried about offering a plan of his own.

He wants to stop the rising of the oceans, and allow the planet to heal. Of course that is more important than worrying about balanced budgets. (sarcasm)


10 posted on 09/03/2012 6:38:30 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: mike_9958

Ryan came out with the equivalent of a minority opinion. When members vote, there are always two or more different opinions. Undeniably Obama had his own opinion. Obviously he did like what the majority recommended. He just filed it away and did nothing.


11 posted on 09/03/2012 6:52:01 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

“Matthew Dowd, his picture is next to the word “tool” in the Dictionary.”

Agreed. Yet another rat from the Bush ship. Sad to say, but it tells you a lot about the horrible personal judgment of Bush. He certainly wasn’t minding the store with the people he surrounded himself with. To have a DC Rino legend like George Will correct you is insult upon injury. Remember, Will threw in the towel on the presidential election 5 months ago....


12 posted on 09/03/2012 6:57:20 PM PDT by crusader71
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To: Kickass Conservative

“Matthew Dowd, his picture is next to the word “tool” in the Dictionary.”

Agreed. Yet another rat from the Bush ship. Sad to say, but it tells you a lot about the horrible personal judgment of Bush. He certainly wasn’t minding the store with the people he surrounded himself with. To have a DC Rino legend like George Will correct you is insult upon injury. Remember, Will threw in the towel on the presidential election 5 months ago....


13 posted on 09/03/2012 6:59:19 PM PDT by crusader71
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To: Republican Wildcat

This is how its going to go for the next two months. This
is the media meme.

Paul Ryan=LIAR 2012 as in Sarah Palin=STUPID 2008

ALL media, news,comedy, whatever will be advancing this.

I’ve said before, forget obamma, our guys better start taking it to the media, or we are really doomed. I’m not
really willing to stand up for someone who won’t stand up for themselves. It would be easy to decimate some of these
stupid interviewers. Why don’t they? Only Sarah and Newt
seem to have the ability to do that.


14 posted on 09/03/2012 6:59:58 PM PDT by americas.best.days...
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To: Kaslin

Matthew Dowd encapsulates all the wonderful, greasy, slimy and deceitful qualities of today’s beltway liberal. George twisted his panties and he was devastated.


15 posted on 09/03/2012 7:06:16 PM PDT by Kahuna
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To: crusader71
The Media loves “Republican Strategists” who hate Conservative Republicans.

Now Dowd just proved that they hate Moderate and Liberal Republicans too.

16 posted on 09/03/2012 7:16:10 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Republicans Hope people are Smart, but Democrats Know people are Stupid.)
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To: Republican Wildcat; Dilbert San Diego

You just can’t fix stupid. Do the Dems really think that Paul Ryan doesn’t CAREFULLY choose the exact, precise words for a good reason? He and Romney are very detailed and have calculated the precise words about the Janesville GM plant to make he dems heads explode.

Just like the theme of “our rights come from God and nature”... I heard one dem say that NO they DON’T come from God and nature. Well, well..... I’ll bet the farm that when both R and R are touting that statement in several speeches it’s a total TRICK statement for the dems. If NOT God and nature... where do your rights come from.... HHHHHHhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm?????????

Gottcha. Perfect set up by R/R team.


17 posted on 09/03/2012 7:30:16 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Let's get out the vote folks. Volunteer - let's all do our part for November victory.)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Well, I heard that liberal guy, “Toure”, (what is a “toure”), on MSNBC, say that he was offended by Ryan saying our rights come from nature and God. He said our rights come from civil rights legislation which gives full rights to minorities, women, downtrodden. (to paraphrase what he said). He thinks rights come from government legislation, and is offended if anyone thinks they come from other places.

As a good liberal, he doesn’t just disagree with Ryan, he is “offended”. Being offended is the worst thing that a liberal can experience.


18 posted on 09/03/2012 7:40:24 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“He (Toure) thinks rights come from government legislation, and is offended if anyone thinks they come from other places.

As a good liberal, he doesn’t just disagree with Ryan, he is “offended”. Being offended is the worst thing that a liberal can experience.”

I rest my case. The set up was superb and he fell for it. haa.


19 posted on 09/03/2012 7:50:27 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Let's get out the vote folks. Volunteer - let's all do our part for November victory.)
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To: Kaslin
From the brilliant leftist posters on YouTube I gather that because the Janesville plant was slated for closure during the Bush administration, that Obama had nothing to do with it, therefore Paul Ryan lied. In related news, the DNC has informed the world that 3+3 is now 87.

Obama and his Janesville audience knew that the plant was at risk of closure when he gave his speech at the factory in February, 2008. That was why Obama said "We need to maintain our competitive edge in a global by ensuring that plants like this one stay open for another hundred years, and shuttered factories re-open as new industries that promise new jobs."

Let me rephrase Obama's words as he obviously intended them to be heard: "Elect me and your job here is safe. Even if the Janesville factory closes, we will reopen it and rehire you."

It didn't happen in Janesville or most other places wth similar problems. Obama's promises were empty.

That was Ryan's point, and he was precisely correct.

It would be hard to beat Ed Morrissey's reporting on this:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/30/fact-checking-the-factcheckers-on-ryans-speech/

20 posted on 09/03/2012 8:44:24 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Kickass Conservative

Matthew Dowd, potted plant house conservative the liberals use to show ‘balance’ who in fact, like David Brooks, kicks conservatives to the curb.

Glad to see George Will went Newt-lear on Dowd’s repeating a media lie.


21 posted on 09/03/2012 9:24:28 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Just like the theme of “our rights come from God and nature”... I heard one dem say that NO they DON’T come from God and nature. Well, well..... I’ll bet the farm that when both R and R are touting that statement in several speeches it’s a total TRICK statement for the dems.”

reciting the declaration of independence is a trap for the Democrats. LOL

You are correct that Ryan has precision in what he says, its something sloppy candidates lack (like Biden).
The media will call what he says ‘lies’ only by stretching the truth themselves.


22 posted on 09/03/2012 9:36:53 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: Kaslin
Matthew Dowd (parrot-droppings be upon him) is about as much a "Republican strategist" as I am a Phalangist generalissimo.

Or a secret Hesychasmist conspirator.

Or a Brazilian gemstone cutter.

Et cetera (roll your own).

23 posted on 09/03/2012 9:45:46 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: americas.best.days...
Only Sarah and Newt seem to have the ability to do that.

Mittens had better go to both of them, on his knees, and grasp their ankles with offerings of peace and patronage -- BIG patronage (like Ronnie gave Poppy Bush in 1980; turn about is fair play!) -- in return for serious help as surrogates in battling the 'RatMedia/RatRoots Slime Machine (David Axelgrease, Manager).

24 posted on 09/03/2012 9:52:44 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: TChad

Ryan never blamed Obama for shutting the plant, that’s a media lie.

Ryan showed up Obama for making promises he never kept.

The plant is still shut.


25 posted on 09/03/2012 9:53:21 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: Kaslin

Obama says he wants to keep a factory open
Factory closes
Obama becomes Prez
Factory still closed

nuff said


26 posted on 09/03/2012 11:45:32 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Kaslin

Matthew Dowd is a liar and a fraud. He is certainly no “Republican strategist” unless he’s the kind who shares a hot tub with David Brock, David Brooks, and David Stockman. (Matthew Dowd should change his name to David.)


27 posted on 09/03/2012 11:56:41 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Kickass Conservative

I think Matthew Dowd is GAY and he’s gone over to the Democrat side a LONG time ago.


28 posted on 09/04/2012 3:33:26 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Kaslin

What George Will and the folks at WAPO don’t realize is that most people don’t pay any attention to them anymore.


29 posted on 09/04/2012 3:40:09 AM PDT by AdaGray
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To: AdaGray

I see it a little differently.

The Wash Post and the media DO NOT CARE if people don’t pay attention to them or not. Getting the meme out there that Ryan lied is what they want.

In other words, THEY lied about Ryan lying about Obama. This gives cover to Obama’s liberal supporters to cite these fact-checker media web sites so that they can win arguments and appear to be accurate in their talking points and debates with others. The truth has nothing to do with it.

Try this out:

Liberal: Ryan’s a liar. Even the XYZ.factchecker.org says so !

You: Wait just a minute: He said Candidate Obama said the plant was going to stay open 100 years if he could help it. He became president, the plant closed, and it’s still closed!

Liberal: Well don’t argue that with me; argue with xyz.factcheker.org. I think I’ll trust them over YOUR opinion. Besides, that plant stopped making cars when BUSH was still in office!

You: It’s not my opinion; it’s the truth. Besides, the plant didn’t close when Bush was president, because they still made pickups until 2009.

Liberal: That’s not what xyz.factchecker.org says!


30 posted on 09/04/2012 4:10:33 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Oh, and one other thing... The liberal I used above often isn’t just some guy at the office or off the streets, but is a local democrat politician, a media type: reporter, newscaster, editor, or other journ-O-list, so they’ll keep spreading the lies, bias, etc.

The best thing we can do is create fact checkers ourselves and counter charge the left with “Obama lied, abc, xyz, etc.” The difference would be abc and xyz would accurate!


31 posted on 09/04/2012 4:19:51 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Kaslin

Unfortunately, the defense of the “fact checkers” by Matthew Dowd, a Republican, was probably more effective in the debate than George Will’s statements.


32 posted on 09/04/2012 9:42:27 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk oMnly to me.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Points well taken. But I also believe that, thanks to internet, there is a growing audience of Americans who need only see an establishment moniker (be it WAPO, NYT, NBC or George Will) and know instantly to turn away and not delve further.


33 posted on 09/04/2012 3:38:10 PM PDT by AdaGray
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To: AdaGray

Exactly. They have tarnished themselves, their good names and their reputations by being whores to certain politics.

I live for the day when their establishments are bankrupt and no one will hire them because they’re not reporters but rather lying hacks.


34 posted on 09/04/2012 3:48:07 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: wildbill
I have to disagree that the "Republican" made a strong case defending the "fact checkers":

DOWD: George, the way he -- when anybody that is watching that that didn't know the facts of it, anybody watching that speech, whether they -- as I say, just like the welfare thing, anybody coming away from that believes one thing."

Sounds like ObaMao when he's off-prompter :-)

35 posted on 09/04/2012 4:32:20 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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