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To: mkjessup; nicmarlo; Jim Robinson; SoCalConservative; EternalVigilance; fieldmarshaldj; ...
mkjessup:

Jim Rob has credibility and you don't. I take second place to no one in admiring the job he does here despite the dark circumstanmces of this year's election. I do not envy him the cross-pressures he operates under in a year of tragedy like this one. He also has responsibilities to the future of this website that you don't have.

OTOH, I take second place to no one in despising you and your persistent whining out of fear and cowardice and your refusal to recognize the reality that conservatives lost this year's POTUS election the moment that Mittler secured the nomination. AND also your refusal to recognize that opposing BOTH Mittler and Obozo means EXACTLY that: opposing BOTH of them. What part of NEITHER don't you get???

mkjessup AND nicmarlo:

That one of these public menaces will likely win is self-evident but that does not require anyone to sell their soul and their vote just so that your misery may enjoy company. Or is that actually your joy on the hallucination that Mittler is even vaguely conservative as to ANYTHING. You answer for your soul. I have to answer for mine. As I understand it, God would not have it otherwise.

You can demand that "Obozo must go." Demonrats can demand that Mittler must go. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Enjoy what you imagine is a POTUS election though it is not. Conservatives should be voting their consciences not the party line of the utterly useless GOP Elite. Voting for Mittler is NOT a conservative thing to do. Not now. Not EVER. Neither, obviously, is voting for Obozo.

The basic non-substantive argument (and really the only argument that can be made with a straight face, however dishonestly) is that Mittler is just a meaningless smidgeon to the less leftist side than Obozo.

To recap the case against Mittler:

1. He is a career-long baby-killer and has thus bought off on the entire American Holocaust of 55 million and counting by surgical abortion alone in our country alone. 5 million more babies will be sliced, diced and hamburgerized and he will, at most, pay a smidgeon of two-faced dishonest lip service to temporarily gull the suckers. Obozo is obviously no better and, except for the Mittlerian lies to the pro-lifers, is just as bad and, though he could never enforce it, he has the additional homicidal credential of supporting death by abandonment of those 10 or so aborted alive (each precious in the sight of the Creator) just because "mommy" prefers it that way.

2. He is a cheerleader for rump-ranging posing as "marriage" with all the government benefits pertaining thereto subsidized by people who ARE moral and normal, every bit as enthusiastically as someone who derides normal Americans for "clinging to their Bibles."

3. He made fudgepacker adoptions a grim reality in Massachusetts for the children so abandoned to abuse. This drove the Catholic Church out of the adoption ministry because the Church could not, in good conscience, abandon innocent children to such arrangements asa demanded by Mittler. I suspect, but do not know that other churches also stopped offering adoption services for the same reasons.

4. He is a two-faced, dishonest serial liar on any and all social issues and many others. It was his own staffer who assured leftists that they ought not to listen to him in GOP primary settings because he would Etch a New Sketch for the general election. That staffer was not fired and that would suggest that Mittler admits the description as accurate.

5. He thrilled the gun grabber set by quadrupling weapon registration fees in the People's Demonratic Republic of Taxachusetts and had no problem with "assault weapons ban" laws.

6. He used shadowy Wall Street money from the GOP Elite to overwhelm his primary opponents by eating up most available ad time in primary states, dishonestly attacking his opponents.

7. He persecuted the Roman Catholic Church and each and every other pro-life church by REQUIRING them to subsiidize abortion, sterilization, abortifacient "birth control," IUDs, other contraceptives even for direct employees of those churches as well as requiring the same of employers who are faithful members of those churches, all so Mittler could be a BIG hero to the socialized medicine crowd via "Romneycare" which, though starting out with private insurers, paves the way for the future of single payer as surely as each day brings sunrise and sunset.

8. He named uniformly to judgeships in Taxachusetts social revolutionary left wing trash and can be expected therefore to nominate to SCOTUS a new generation of previous GOP nominee trash like Earl Warren, William Brennan (himself a leftist Demonrat appointed by Eisenhower), Potter Stewart, Herod Blackmun himself, Lewis Powell, John Paul Stevens and David "Swish" Souter. When he does make those appointments and they are universally supported by GOP-E senators and even conservatives as "our nominees," the "conservatives" who were kissing his posterior in 2012 will have nothing to say but "Oopsie!" I can't wait to hear the rationalizations from Coulter and the others when their dreamboat names the next Herod Blackmun to SCOTUS.

9. In changing the Republican Party rules by a Pearl Harbor or 9/11 style sneak attack at the Tampa convention (before even being elected) to keep the ideological peasants (that would be the conservatives who are the PRINCIPLED Republicans) at bay and assuring that the GOP-E face little problem buying future nominations. Basically the same policy of "Sit down and shut up, they argued" that you and your fellow apologists for Mittler make here all the time while, of course, CLAIMING to be "conservative" while sucking up to the likes of Mittler with all your might.

10. Plenty more where those 9 came from. When you have answered those, you can ask for more. mkjessup:

BTW, the one thing you have right is that I have already (long since) made up my mind (unalterably) as to this year's POTUS election. I will NOT vote for Mittler. I will NOT vote for Obozo. After all, I AM a conservative. I WILL vote for Tom Hoefling if he is on the ballot here. If not, I will vote for Virgil Goode. If neither are on the ballot, I will write in Tom Hoefling.

My Google assistant??? I would just like the fun of seeing you (and the other Mittler pom pom girls make actual arguments trying to be more substantive than: Obozo is just awful. He makes me sooooo mad!!! He is a communist. He hates the country. We will NEVER survive as a nation AND you will vote for any despicable POS so long as it is a REPUBLICAN despicable POS. That would be Mittler. AND NEVER note Mittler's glaring heresies.

To reiterate, my Google assistant??? I would not trust you to muck out the stall of my family's horse. Not to worry.

nicmarlo:

You are underestimating your God and mine. If he could take Saul of Tarsus who was running around murdering and martyring Christians (like his cousin St. Stephen), knock him off his horse on his way to Damascus, blind him, saying to him: Saul, Saul, why dost thou persecute Me, and turn such a killer into St. Paul, then that same God can overcome the likes of either Mittler OR Obozo, flatten their respective iniquities, disable them, turn them, etc. For God, this is no easier with Mittler than with Obozo or Stalin or Hitler or Mao..... OTOH, it IS a bit presumptuous for even Christians to ASSUME that God will intervene in human affairs to thwart the one and not the other. What makes either Obozo OR Mittler such supermen that either or both can resist the intervention of Almighty God except insofar as He allows them to resist as a matter of free will and thereby to sin. Whatever His plan may be, it just HAS to be better than yours or mine. Our job is willing and humble obedience to Him. Loving us as He does, He will decide what is best for us in ways that no government or political movement can. There is, BTW, no guarantee that He will continue to allow the USA to survive. It may well be that the USA is done in any event.

Obedience to Him beats obedience to Obozo OR the GOP-Elite any day.

26 posted on 09/09/2012 11:00:23 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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To: BlackElk

A fresh tagline with a gem of a timely quote from one of our greatest Americans.


27 posted on 09/09/2012 11:26:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("The opposite of compromise is character." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: BlackElk

We had to file as an official IL write-in in 110 separate jurisdictions. The certifications started coming back on Friday. Should be lots more tomorrow and the rest of the week.

T-O-M H-O-E-F-L-I-N-G

Jonathan Ellis for VP.

Thanks.


28 posted on 09/09/2012 11:29:48 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("The opposite of compromise is character." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: nicmarlo; BlackElk
Hey Nic?

WTH did you do to BlackElk, give him a wedgie or somethin'?

He sounds like he's out of his tree ('tree', get it? BlackELK, tree, ya know? ha ha! ;).

Say Blackie? Looks like ya hit the jackpot pal...



(don't spend it all in one place, ok?)
31 posted on 09/10/2012 12:37:56 AM PDT by mkjessup (The so-called "Dean of Discipline" is just a 'torqued'-off Illinois punk, you know, like 0bama, lol)
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To: BlackElk; mkjessup; Jim Robinson; SoCalConservative; EternalVigilance; fieldmarshaldj
I'm reposting [with edits] what I posted to someone else.

If you think that God would have a person behave unwisely and elect stupidly, "just because He is in control of everything", you're quite mistaken. That kind of thinking is ANTI-Scriptural. The Proverbs are replete with behaving wisely, not because God couldn't fix stupid, but because He gave you a brain. So use it.

As you correctly surmised, "one of these public menaces will likely win is self-evident." So, how is helping Obama become the more likely winner justifiable before God. Where is there ANY inclination that Obama would alter his course to honor God and his oath of office? You've just witnessed his own party, itself, deny God THREE times. As many have pointed out here, it is reminiscent of when Peter did the same. While I have issues with the Republican party, and removed myself from its rosters because of that back in 2006, the GOP party's platform has not thrown out God, family, moral values, and the Constitution. The same cannot be said with the democRat party. Additionally:
With Romney, use your faith and pray that God influences him through appointed advisers, that these be godly men, pray that God places people into Romney's sphere who would lead him in the right direction; pray that more and more Constitutionally conservative senators and representatives, both U.S. and state, be elected into office. Pray for those now in office lead and vote according to God's will.
If you think, however, that God would approve of my helping re-elect a known liar, a known godless, Muslim Marxist either through voting third party or refusing to vote at all, then you're truly living in fantasyland. Consequences ALWAYS matter to God. The consequences of re-electing an evil person, whether by acts of omission or commission are the same. You're the type who truly would help put a type of Hitler, another marxist/socialist into office because you think your principles are of such superiority that you couldn't vote for a mormon or someone you don't consider a 'pure enough conservative'. In case the reminder is necessary, this is not an election for church deacon or elder where there exists in Scripture such a litmus test for leadership roles as to how someone conducts themself in the Christian faith. This is a political election.

In the Old Testament, there were unbelieving kings used by God and His people were blessed because the king did not have the heart of an evil man. In this case, where the end result can only be a president elected who is either a evil man with an evil heart, Obama, or a man who has done wrong (Romney) (according to your list of accusations against him) because he be an unbeliever, I'm surprised that you feel justified in the sight of God for helping re-elect a evil person with an evil heart by throwing your vote to a third party nobody. Voting third party ALWAYS helps the incumbent. It would make no sense for me to help elect a thoroughly evil person at any level of office.

It apparently also doesn't matter to you that the known end result of an Obama re-election WILL result in more evil wrought against God, this country and the People. With all due respect, taken to the extreme, to your way of thinking, if Obama was a Hitler, you'd have taken the same actions, millions would be murdered, but your 'conscience would be clear' because you wouldn't have voted for other person capable of defeating Hitler because that someone wasn't "pure enough" for you. God doesn't operate that way.

32 posted on 09/10/2012 8:02:58 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: BlackElk; mkjessup; nicmarlo; Jim Robinson; SoCalConservative; EternalVigilance; fieldmarshaldj
Jim Rob has credibility and you don't. I take second place to no one in admiring the job he does here despite the dark circumstanmces of this year's election.

I challenge this! I daresay that you take second place to me in my admiration of JimRob! JimRob, we who are about to vote, salute you!

Okay, now that the (not so) funny business is out of the way, I admit - somebody has coached Romney well on the right answers to give when he is interviewed about this issue. What he says sounds good.

The problem is that I have severe trust issues with Romney, as in, I don't. He can spin his bill in Mass. all he wants, but the fact remains that it was the (re)imposition of an "assault weapons" ban that was modeled off the one CLinton got through at the federal level a few years earlier.

This, plus the many other areas where he has shown a consistent tendency towards desiring and putting into place increased government control to deal with "problems" tells me that he will not be as "reliable" on 2nd amendment issues as this interview purports to suggest. Answering softball questions from a friendly source is not the same as deciding that "now's the time to deal with the gun problem" after another school shooting. I simply don't trust Romney to not have Democratesque responses to perceived "gun problems," especially when the MSM builds up a narrative and begins to work on the minds of "swing voters" to apply pressure to "do something."

35 posted on 09/10/2012 8:09:12 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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