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No, Romney did not say he will keep parts of Obamacare
CainTV ^ | 9-0-12 | ROBERT LAURIE

Posted on 09/09/2012 12:54:46 PM PDT by GR_Jr.

Throughout his campaign, Mitt Romney has constantly voiced one rock-solid promise: the repeal and replacement of Obamacare. This morning on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Mitt Romney was pressed about his plans for healthcare. During his answer, he said "Well, I'm not getting rid of all of healthcare reform."

Voices from both ends of the spectrum have pounced on the line. The left (including most major media websites) claims he said he’ll keep parts of Obamacare intact. Meanwhile, the right is busy calling him a turncoat and sellout who’s dumped his plan to repeal the Affordable Care Act. In reality, they’re both wrong.

If you listen past the soundbite, you’ll hear Romney’s full intent.

“Of course, there are a number of things that I like in healthcare reform that I'm going to put in place," Romney said. "One is to make sure that those with pre-existing conditions can get coverage. Two is to assure that the marketplace allows for individuals to have policies that cover their family up to whatever age they might like."

From the very beginning of his candidacy, the word “replace” has been a regular fixture of Romney’s plans. Today was no different.

"I say we're going to replace Obamacare. And I'm replacing it with my own plan. And even in Massachusetts when I was governor, our plan there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people."

Clearly, from day one, both pre-existing conditions and the ability to keep college-age children on family health plans have been “on the table.” You can certainly argue the merits of these decisions, but you can’t pretend they weren’t being considered. When Romney presents a new plan, they'll probably be included.

Along with these adjustments will likely come tort reform and laws allowing insurance companies to compete across state boundaries. That these measures might eventually become part of Romney’s future health care provisions in no way means he’s abandoned his pledge to repeal. In fact, it makes it pretty clear that's still the plan..

No one should be surprised that there will be some form of new health care legislation should Romney be elected. He’s made this clear for months. In fact, he’ll likely give the left some of what they’ve been asking for. However, there’s nothing in today’s comments that should give anyone the impression that he won’t repeal Obamacare.

We all know there is work to be done in the health care space. All Romney did was acknowledge that fact - something he’s done many times before.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama; obamacare; romney; romneycare
Not being a Romneybot or defender. Just posting an article with an opposing view of the MSN articles today
1 posted on 09/09/2012 12:54:52 PM PDT by GR_Jr.
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To: GR_Jr.

Thank you for this. The pant-wetters and the ABRs can clean themselves up now.


2 posted on 09/09/2012 12:56:23 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg
Why? They like the stench. It's therapeutic, they'll claim.
3 posted on 09/09/2012 12:57:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: GR_Jr.

It’s the wrong answer.

He needs to emphasize working with Congress on tort reform, cross state line competition, no denial of prior conditions, and plan portability.

We cannot go out there and basically defend or validate Obamacare when the majority of people just want the damn thing repealed.


4 posted on 09/09/2012 1:05:22 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: GR_Jr.

It is the word “replace” that has so many upset.


5 posted on 09/09/2012 1:09:42 PM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Perdogg

Excuse me, but pre-existing conditions would bankrupt an insurance company. No way to do it without a mandate.

Insurance is post NOT pre condition.


6 posted on 09/09/2012 1:09:59 PM PDT by GreaterSwiss
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To: GreaterSwiss

You already get a waiver for it from prior coverage when you switch plans, and that ore-dated Obamacare.


7 posted on 09/09/2012 1:11:21 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: GR_Jr.
As usual the media is delighting in cherry-picking some quotes from a Republican leader in order to anger and divide conservatives.

A strategy that works much of the time.

8 posted on 09/09/2012 1:11:55 PM PDT by what's up
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To: sf4dubya

PRE-dated.

iPad keyboard + my fingers


9 posted on 09/09/2012 1:15:05 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Not Necessarily. An exchange based on market principles would allow underwritters to adjust and mitigate these risks, unlike a government imposed program. You should know better.


10 posted on 09/09/2012 1:16:17 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: GR_Jr.
"I say we're going to replace Obamacare. And I'm replacing it with my own plan. And even in Massachusetts when I was governor, our plan there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people."

Well, I don't see that this makes much difference. He's going to replace Obamacare with Romneycare, another government mandated program on which Obamacare was based.

Or, he's going to replace mandated coverage of pre-existing conditions with mandated coverage of pre-existing conditions, but with his name on it instead of Obama's. Sure, he's weasel-wording it here, but basically he's saying that there will still be socialist, government mandated healthcare, only he's going to change the name from Obama to Romney.

And that will presumably also include free, taxpayer-funded abortions, just like in Massachusetts. Either way, you get to pay for Sandra Fluke's morning after pills and abortions.

11 posted on 09/09/2012 1:17:39 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: GreaterSwiss
Excuse me, but pre-existing conditions would bankrupt an insurance company. No way to do it without a mandate.

Agree. Don't we already (pre-ObammyScare) have in place that if you're already insured and you switch carriers, they have to cover pre-exisiting conditions? This is different from covering an illness after Mr. Uninsured receives a diagnosis.

Also, if parents chose to pay for and cover their kids, up to the age of 26, let 'em! So long as someone's actually paying for this coverage, out of their own pocket....and not with my tax $$!!

12 posted on 09/09/2012 1:17:55 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Cicero
No, you are wrong as usual. The plan calls for a market based plan to allow users to buy across statelines. It has been out there for months, you just refuse to get the facts.
13 posted on 09/09/2012 1:21:44 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: GR_Jr.
As I posted on another thread of the usual FR pant-wetters

A NY Times/CBS Poll- "...in March found that 85 percent of Americans support the law's pre-existing conditions protections. ... …It seems like children and people with pre-existing conditions should be covered.

Romney would a complete fool not to say something about the pre-existing condition issue.

14 posted on 09/09/2012 1:27:22 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: GreaterSwiss

You don’t know that his plan simply a mandate to take policies whole cloth.

These are the exact provisions I would have expected any candidate to address - the only ones that individually are popular with the public. Dealing with these issues is what was used as an excuse by Obama and the Dems to have a government takeover the entire industry with thousands of pages that had nothing to do with any problems in health care coverage.


15 posted on 09/09/2012 1:34:29 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Perdogg
As a RINO koolaide drinker, please list the EOs Romney plans to repeal.

Please explain how he is going to clean up the Pink Mafia in the Pentagon, including the one star dyke who hid until she could get married on base. (That's 20 years of violating the UCMJ.)

Please list the Czars and their staffs he is going to fire, and indict.

Holder is going to run out the clock and walk away with a pardon, along with his entire staff. Is Romney going to do a GW Bush and let Holder go private from a murder charge, with a massive pension, smiling,? (Remember 'Socks' Burger and his raids on the Library of Congress?)

Will the new DoJ find out when the Great Chicago Thief sold his Senate seat?

Will they find out where he was actually born?

Fat freaking chance. Romney will, in the spirit of "sportsmanship", (Or whatever he calls "I won't tell if you won't..."), let Obama stroll out with all the "r" keys in his pocket, as well as the furniture, dishes and silverware. They will drain the dishwasher on the kitchen floor, rip out any copper pipe, and punch holes in the walls. (I grew up in Chicago. I've seen what 'Holder's People' do to a rental when they get evicted...)

16 posted on 09/09/2012 1:37:37 PM PDT by jonascord
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To: GreaterSwiss

Exactly. Insurance is like gambling... you put money up front first not knowing the outcome. If you need it, you will get it.

With preconditions, you know for certain that you will need it, thus cheating the insurance companies. Those companies are there to make money for their shareholders, not to make you feel good about your diseases and alleviate your financial burden.

Your disease, your responsibility.


17 posted on 09/09/2012 1:39:22 PM PDT by sagar
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To: jonascord

GFY


18 posted on 09/09/2012 1:41:52 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: GR_Jr.

Romney only fooled those who can’t tell the difference between a RINO and a liberal. I will vote for Romney, then go puke someplace. Thank you, oh so much, you leftist Republican want-to-be people who put him through the primary. I hope you are proud.


19 posted on 09/09/2012 1:47:45 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Perdogg
What are the market forces for “guaranteed issues” (Insurance and pre-existing conditions is an oxymoron) even though you proved you were continually paying for some type of coverage? LOL Free Republic Romney Etatist Protection Team are funny especially when hey talk out of their rears.

“Hey, I refused to get catastrophic insurance but I paid for the lowest premium I could find. Romney, I developed diabetes cause I love my candy and now I have a kidney disease which requires dialysis 3x a week. Either make my neighbor pay or let the insurance company take a loss.” Market forces where exactly? This furthers big insurance and is another example of unintended consequences just like what happened in Mass. Romney opened up the door for government interference and Deval Patrick said thank you very much Ronmey while expanding the reach even further.

20 posted on 09/09/2012 1:49:54 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: GR_Jr.
It is not his words but the premise behind his philosophy, that big government is the answer to all problems, must be a concern for all those who call themselves conservative. Mitts word analysis is a fool`s game.
21 posted on 09/09/2012 2:07:38 PM PDT by deadrock
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To: Perdogg
Standard dim response.

You don't have an answer, ANY answer, go for ad hominem. (Look it up... Don't read too fast, your lips will get tired.)

Try over at DU. They REALLY understand ad hominem attacks rather than presenting facts.

22 posted on 09/09/2012 2:17:14 PM PDT by jonascord (Hot Flash: Your "government" is no longer mine.)
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To: GR_Jr.

Romney is going to do exactly what his record as Governor says he will do.

How and why people here get so upset at media spin for Obama is the height of hypocrisy when they do it to steer a vote to Romney.

Not a damn thing is going to change even if Romney gets sworn into office in January. The Ruling Class wins.

We the People lose.

Again.

But we deceive ourselves into thinking because it’s our guy - tyranny is okay.


23 posted on 09/09/2012 2:17:44 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Perdogg
Thank you for this. The pant-wetters and the ABRs can clean themselves up now.

...and hopefully go take in a good movie to calm themselves down. I highly recommend "2016: 0bama's America"...
24 posted on 09/09/2012 2:44:44 PM PDT by gimme1ibertee (If you want to kick a tiger in the ass, you better have a plan for dealing with his teeth.)
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To: Perdogg; All
GFY

Geez, you really know how to advance an argument./sarc

I like so many others always warned of the "replace" portion of his arguments during the debates. Now those who supported him through that charade are now castigating those who point out your penchant for selective hearing just like those who voted for the Kenyan refused to acknowledge his "fundamental transformation" promise in 2008.

So GOPe and its supporters, bask in your glow if Romney is able to eek this one out because it will be the last major victory for the GOP unless the "e" can be eradicated. Conservatives will turn out to vote for Romney, at least for now, and unless he continues to march down this McCain path. The alternative is worse but instead of marching of the cliff at a supercar pace, we will get it at that of a Mustang GT. But, that is the end of the ride. Either the "e" is eradicated or a third party will make it beyond 15%, way beyond 15%.

25 posted on 09/09/2012 2:44:47 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: GR_Jr.

Why is this not on breaking news or front page?

Does someone want this to drop below the radar?


26 posted on 09/09/2012 3:38:38 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Perdogg

MY post was directly from The Blaze. They are not a pants wett MSM rag. Glenn Beck supports Romney. Like You do.


27 posted on 09/09/2012 3:41:57 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

I heard the MEET the PRESS clip just now on Foxnews.

He is going to keep some of health reform like pre-existing conditions
and keeping your family on your health plan to whenever you like”
direct quote.

Why don’t I just shoot myself dead now.

I mean it.

It’s the whole point of the federal government mandating all these
things on a PRIVATE F**** INDUSTRY

This kind of language was also used by some House Republicans a couple
months ago and I was ****horrified******

YOU NEED A SIMPLE DIRECT

I WILL REPEAL OBAMACARE

THREE REASONS
1. FREEDOM OF INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS
THE MANDATE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL

2. THE WAY IT WAS PASSED. WE DID NOT WANT IT>
CORNHUSKER KICKBACK>
THESE PEOPLE MUST PAY A PRICE OTHERWISE THEY WILL DO OTHER
THINGS
AGAINST THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED

AS WELL ONE PARTY KILLED US THE MINORITY> WE HAD 40 VOTES
BUT THEY RAMMED IT THROUGH

AFFECTING US ALL 300 MILLION FOREVER UNTIL WE REPEAL IT

WHY DO THEY HATE MINORITES

WHY DO THEY HATE US SO?”????

WHY DID THEY PASSS THE BILL TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS IN IT???

THe stupid insurance companies find that this racket up to 26 is great
for business. THey said before SC ruled, they would carry this feature
VOLUNTARILY -— most of them.

ROMNEY SICKENS ME

I AM GOING TO KILL MYSELF BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE
AS A SLAVE TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

pre-existing conditions????? IF you have continuous health insurance
they can’t deny you. That was before OBAMACARE

SORRY

RAND PAUL 2020


28 posted on 09/09/2012 7:08:15 PM PDT by preamble
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To: GR_Jr.

Placemark.


29 posted on 09/09/2012 9:46:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: GR_Jr.
With all the hand wringing here, do we really know what the real issue is?

If Obama is Reelected, Obamacare will stay and it will grow using every little bit of deceit that was written into the Bill that we had to Pass to know what's in it.

If Romney is elected, some pieces will be addressed, but not with the same “as the Secretary of HHS dictates” that is repeated throughout the text of the Bill.

What does that mean? It means (1) getting rid of the “requirement” to purchase Health Insurance under penalty of Law, THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE HAVE WITH OBABACARE, (2) rescinding the numerous new Taxes associated with Obamacare, THE SECOND BIGGEST ISSUE WE HAVE WITH OABAMCARE, (3) Reversing the theft of over $700,000,000,000 from Medicare, and (4) having a Republican House and Senate oversee whatever Reforms that will be made to insure that an overhaul of Health care Policy is Market based.

That is what I take from this, others may disagree. Either way, if Obama gets another four years it will only get worse than we ever imagined.

30 posted on 09/09/2012 10:27:54 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Republicans Hope people are Smart, but Democrats Know people are Stupid.)
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To: GR_Jr.

This is how I read his statements as well.


31 posted on 09/10/2012 7:08:35 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: jonascord
I'd like to join Commander Riker in applauding your most excellent post:


32 posted on 09/10/2012 7:33:37 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: GR_Jr.

BTTT


33 posted on 09/10/2012 8:50:19 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: GR_Jr.

BTTT


34 posted on 09/10/2012 8:55:17 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Old Sarge
Apparently, Perdogg didn't like my questions, and chose to respond in standard Democrat fashion. I'm puzzled... Was it something I asked?

"To: jonascord

GFY

18 posted on Sunday, September 09, 2012 13:41:52 by Perdogg"

35 posted on 09/10/2012 9:39:13 AM PDT by jonascord (Hot Flash: Your "government" is no longer mine.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Perhaps the law will read “You can be insured as long as you pay the premium.”


36 posted on 09/10/2012 9:51:37 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: GR_Jr.

Yes, he did say that there are certain provisions of the bill he likes and would keep. As for myself, I’d repeal it all — except for the provision that says the mandate may not be considered a tax.

This is the kind of liberal Establishment RINOism that loses elections.

Remember, during the primaries, Romney supporter Pam Bondi (who as Florida AG led the lawsuit against the unconstitutional Obamacare bill) said that they intended to repeal Obamacare and help establish Romneycare in every state.

Romneycare essentially IS Obamacare.


37 posted on 09/11/2012 3:51:04 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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