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How Mitt Romney May Lose the Election [News from Virginia]
Tea Party Tribune ^ | September 11, 2012 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 09/11/2012 9:47:46 AM PDT by Moseley

On September 4, 2012, Mitt Romney may have lost Virginia and the Presidential election. But Republicans could still win easily.

This election will turn on two questions Bill Clinton is pounding on: Who caused the disastrous economic collapse in 2007 and 2008? Will putting a Republican back in the White House give us another economic crash?

Republican strategists and consultants have been running away from these questions. Bill Clinton passionately blamed Republicans at the Democrat National Convention. Republicans are aiming for “just enough to squeak by.” But “good enough” is almost never good enough.

Now on September 4, Virgil Goode qualified as a candidate in Virginia for President for the Constitution Party. Losing only a few percentage points to Goode could cost Romney Virginia. And Romney is still behind in the crucial State.

Remember: Virginia conservatives were upset that only Mitt Romney and Ron Paul were on the primary ballot. Other candidates certainly bungled their petitions. But Virginia conservatives suspected manipulation.

Is the Constitution Party a threat? It is full of Ron Paul zealots. It has 438,222 registered voters. In 2008, Alan Keyes was ousted by highly-motivated Ron Paul enthusiasts. Chuck Baldwin became the 2008 candidate for President. The Constitution party was originally founded by Howard Phillips as the “US Taxpayers’ Party” in 1991.

(Excerpt) Read more at teapartytribune.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2012swingstates; barackobama; clownfor0bama; constitutionparty; goode2012; mittromney; obamasbitch; sorosstoodge; stupidvoters; thirdparty; va2012; virgilgoode
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1 posted on 09/11/2012 9:47:52 AM PDT by Moseley
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To: Moseley

Yep there really are “Conservatives” in VA stupid enough to vote for a guy who was a Democrat when Reagan was President.


2 posted on 09/11/2012 9:49:27 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

A few - but not many...


3 posted on 09/11/2012 9:52:52 AM PDT by 103198
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To: Moseley
Is there any question at all why the Green Party was helping Goode?
4 posted on 09/11/2012 9:53:08 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: xzins; Diogenesis; RitaOK; P-Marlowe; cripplecreek; SoConPubbie

“It’s Virgil Goode’s fault, it can’t *possibly* have anything to do with the fact that we nominated a severely liberal milquetoast idiot as our candidate!” PING


5 posted on 09/11/2012 9:56:40 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: MNJohnnie

Yep there really are “Conservatives” in VA stupid enough to vote for a guy who was a Democrat when Reagan was President.
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I kniw Willard was anti-Reagan but I though he was an Independant ...


6 posted on 09/11/2012 9:56:48 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: mnehring

I guess it was answered in the article you linked:

“Goode got significant help collecting signatures from the Independent Green Party, which assisted Goode because he supports the party’s top issue — more spending for passenger rail.”

Doesn’t sound conservative or “Constitution-based” to me.


7 posted on 09/11/2012 9:57:35 AM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: Moseley
There was plenty of blame to go around.
8 posted on 09/11/2012 9:59:04 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Hell I made an honest suggestion of how to help Romney win and it was met with an attack.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2929390/posts

Team Romney is bound and determined to lose through acts of aggression against their own troops.


9 posted on 09/11/2012 10:00:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: MNJohnnie
Yep there really are “Conservatives” in VA stupid enough to vote for a guy who was a Democrat when Reagan was President.

Not to put a damper on your obviously building temper tantrum, but did you know that Mitt Romney was a registered Independent who voted for Paul Tsongas in the 1992 Democrat primary?

"Look, I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to take us back to Reagan-Bush." - Mitt Romney, during the 1994 Senate race in Massachusetts.

10 posted on 09/11/2012 10:03:57 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Yep, those Greens really care about conservatism. The guy is a joke, as is Ron Paul. Sad that people like this are so selfish as to try to saddle the rest of us with Obama again.


11 posted on 09/11/2012 10:05:35 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: Moseley
Who caused the disastrous economic collapse in 2007 and 2008?

Bush’s Fault?

January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress. At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH.

Remember the day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee. The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy? BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!

Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES! Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.

And who took the THIRD highest payoff from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA.
And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA and the Democrat Congress.

So when someone tries to blame Bush... REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party. Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011. In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases. For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

*Note that I copied and saved this, but neglected to save the source. If it was you or you know who it was, let me know so I can credit it properly.

12 posted on 09/11/2012 10:07:03 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: LS
Sad that people like this are so selfish as to try to saddle the rest of us with Obama again.

Yeah, but we can't really control how Romney runs his campaign, now can we?

13 posted on 09/11/2012 10:07:41 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: Moseley; xzins; Diogenesis; RitaOK; P-Marlowe; cripplecreek; SoConPubbie; Yashcheritsiy
I don't know why Romney is worried about the conservative vote going to Goode. As usual he is running to the left of his opponent hawking his 57 State mandate to replace Obamacare with Romneycare, gay marriage and gay adoption and abortion on demand.

Romney needs to be more concerned that liberals might vote for Obama instead of him.

He needs to emphasize his liberal creds, which are unmatched by any governor in the history of the United States. He was the first executive in America to get Socialized Medicine enacted into law. He was the first Governor in America to preside and sanction gay marriage.

What more could a liberal want?

14 posted on 09/11/2012 10:08:34 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: mnehring

——Is there any question at all why the Green Party was helping Goode? ——

Don’t you mean Baade?


15 posted on 09/11/2012 10:10:26 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Yashcheritsiy

No but real patriots would never siphon votes from someone who can stop Obama. Hence, Goode is anything but a patriot. As are his supporters.


16 posted on 09/11/2012 10:10:31 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: cripplecreek
Team Romney is bound and determined to lose through acts of aggression against their own troops.

Yeah, and you know what's really sad?

After losing in November, badly enough that Virginia wouldn't have made a difference anywise, the GOP-E will only draw the following lessons from their loss:

1) Ballot access needs to be made even stricter to stamp out those troublesome third parties, and

2) We need to tack further to the centre to try to appeal more to moderates.

Every time, they draw the same erroneous conclusions, and then they lose. It's almost like they want to lose or something.

17 posted on 09/11/2012 10:10:48 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: LS

And why should I give any credit to what you define a “patriot” as?


18 posted on 09/11/2012 10:12:06 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: Yashcheritsiy; MNJohnnie
If Conservatives would have decided to vote for a conservative rather than a self-proclaimed moderate, Craig Deeds, the Democrat, would have become Virginia's Governor rather than the duplicitious Bob McDonnell.

We'd still have gotten in Cucinelli ~

Then, in the 2012 Virginia primary Romney would have probably pulled between 11% to 15% of the vote clearly identifying him as a weak handmaiden best consigned to a subcabinet post ~ or maybe to Department of Commerce.

19 posted on 09/11/2012 10:12:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Yashcheritsiy; Tennessee Nana

Last GOP Congress and President 2006. Federal Defecit $160 Billion

Last Democrat Congress and President 2010. Federal Defect $1.6 Trillion

Sorry you did not get the GOP candidate you wanted. Time to stop pouting about it, suck it up and deal with it.

Obama or Romney will be the next President. Spending all your time squealing about Romney does one thing, help Re-Elect Obama. This nation cannot survive 4 more years of Obama. Between his judicial appointments, his Executive Orders and his Energy Policy you will not recognize this nation in 2016. That is too high a price to pay just to assuage your hurt feelings!

So sorry your feelings were hurt, get over it.


20 posted on 09/11/2012 10:12:36 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Right. Romney was a left leaning guy during Reagan and Bush. He said he was progressive and that he was an independent during the time of Reagan/ Bush. Virgil Goode was a Reagan Democrat.


21 posted on 09/11/2012 10:13:20 AM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party)
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To: MNJohnnie

Willard ?


22 posted on 09/11/2012 10:14:27 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: MNJohnnie
Sorry you did not get the GOP candidate you wanted.

I didn't realise we got a GOP candidate period.

23 posted on 09/11/2012 10:14:41 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: LS

Real patriots would not have thought of cheating in the run up to the Virginia primary ~ so there you dastardly person. Go suck on your Karl Marx statue!


24 posted on 09/11/2012 10:15:15 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Moseley
Remember,boys and girls...if it wasn't for whackjob Ralph Nader it would be “former President algore” today.
25 posted on 09/11/2012 10:15:21 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Mitt Romney left the GOP in 1979 because of Reagan, he has campaigned on not having voted for Reagan, eventually, by the early 1990s all of Romney’s donations and fundraising was for democrat candidates, even if running against incumbent republican, and for Planned Parenthood.

Virginians will have to struggle with figuring out who is more anti-Reagan.


26 posted on 09/11/2012 10:15:41 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Moseley
Mitt Romney lose to a man raised on Communist theory????, Who came here on a Foreign Student Visa, whose papers from college are still under lock and key, a man raised by people did & do dislike the United States except for what they could get for free like a good education, a man who took bailout money and paid off his UNION supporters, managed to rack up another 4+ trillion dollar debt while his money managers printed more money helping to devalue the dollar even more, bowed and apologized to foreign heads of state, asked Russia to give him wiggle room until after the election then he will help them....? Barack Obama is not a friend...he is a Communist/Socialist who literally hates Capitalism and wants to Fundamentally Change America to fit the European, United Nations, African etc. version of Socialism, sort of a Third World dictatorship ruled by the half American, half Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama.

Mitt Romney lose to that fraud? Obama's base has no self reliance, they all want hand outs and little work. A culture that is not American....Mitt Romney has worked hard all his life, gives back and is Self-reliant to a fault....Obama is weak, a security threat to all of us.

27 posted on 09/11/2012 10:15:41 AM PDT by yoe
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To: DannyTN

@DannTN (in #8): I think the tea party has arisen BECAUSE people realize both parties are part of the problem. The American people feel they have to roll up their sleeves, tell the politicians to get out of the way, we’ll have to do it ourselves.

But remember the main point of the article: Romney could afford to lose a few percentage points in Virginia *IF* he were actually addressing the concerns of the American people in a persuasive way. Playing GOP insider business as usual is the reason Romney is just barely squeaking by. And when you aim to just squeak by, you usually end up LOSING completely.


28 posted on 09/11/2012 10:20:04 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: ansel12

But remember ansel2, it’s VITALLY important that we all rally together and elect Romney, since he’s sooooooo much better than Obama.

I mean, forget about his actual record, and his actual history, and even some of the things he’s said and done within the last week. Just take a look at his campaign website - that’s an ENTIRELY honest and truthful view of what this rock-solid oak of a man has always stood for.

I like the cut of this Romley fellow’s jib!


29 posted on 09/11/2012 10:20:23 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: P-Marlowe
If there ever really were any middle of the road independents of sensitive sensibilities they would all have by now jumped on Romney's bandwagon and gotten him up to LESS THAN HALF THE VOTE!

Anyone else notice that neither of the two main guys are getting up to 50%? If you get 50%+1 vote you tend to win. If you don't, you lose or something.

I'd be real concerned if I were Romney ~ have some Catholic bishops in for a meeting, maybe a Cardinal, and start trudging in and out of Baptist churches on Sundays, SDA on Saturday, and even maybe some of those Oklahoma COFB's on Wednesday evening for some prayer sessions for the sick and dying (who really will die if prayer doesn't work right away 'cause those ol'boys won't take you to a doctor).

Romney has forgotten what Henry IV of France said when he was still the leader of the Protestant faction, "Paris is worth a mass" and he went and got baptised as a Catholic (again) and became King of France. Let me tell you, I'd be looking around right now for some group that does a three times forward and onct' back routine just for a margin of safety and go after that SOCON vote!

30 posted on 09/11/2012 10:22:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Yashcheritsiy; cripplecreek
Every time, they draw the same erroneous conclusions, and then they lose. It's almost like they want to lose or something.

Followers chasing after the crowd always lose. The GOP hasn't been leading since Reagan left office.

31 posted on 09/11/2012 10:24:22 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: yoe

YOE: If we can just get the dimwit GOP strategists out of the way and talk straight to the AMerican people, Romney should win in a landslide. But the GOP insiders specialize in doing all the wrong things in campaigns. They imagine themselves to be really clever... which is the problem.


32 posted on 09/11/2012 10:24:50 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

So I send a page and half of text to you and you read, think about it and respond in lest then 60 seconds?

Rather then assume you are the infallible mouth of God on earth, and responding with your per-programed opinions take the time to actually think about the point being made to you

Your knee jerk responds are made in a spirit of arrogance and pride. You are not acting in God’s spirit.


33 posted on 09/11/2012 10:26:22 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Moseley

Who really is to blame for the 2008 financial crisis?

Democrat Nancy Pelosi was running the House, Democrat Harry Reid was running the Senate in 2007 and 2008. Obama actually sued banks in Chicago back in the 1990s to make them lend money to deadbeats, and that with CRA led to bogus no-doc loans by 2006 that with the subprime loans were ripe for collapse when housing price bubble popped.

But somehow although the Democrats ran the most powerful branch of Government when the crisis hit, and despite all the actinons Democrats took that led to the housing bubble and the subsequent crash, they are not at all responsible, it’s all just Bush’s fault.

Never mind that when gas hit its highs in 2008, the Republicans were calling for action, and Nancy Pelosi refused to do anything.

Republicans begged for a plan to cut oil prices by ‘drill here, drill now’ but Pelosi did NOTHING. the Democrats who ran Congress - led by Democrat nancy Pelosi and Democrat Harry Reid - did NOTHING because they wanted to crash the economy to get Obama elected. The Democrats’ evil plot worked. And we got the worst President in our lifetimes.

Never mind that Obama voted for all the TARP, bailouts and all the actions the Democrats pin on Bush.

Democrats played a big role in making the crisis happen. It wasnt just Bush alone. And now Democrats ran Washington and have run the White House for 4 years while our economy has remained in this rut. Democrats destroyed the economy, kept it in this rut, and have no plan to get the economy moving again, and the chickens are coming home to roost.

All the Democrats and Obama have left is ... excuses.


34 posted on 09/11/2012 10:28:16 AM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: MNJohnnie

What “page and a half of text” are you even talking about?


35 posted on 09/11/2012 10:28:32 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: Moseley
Hey, it's not Virgil Goode's fault that Romney has an exposed right wing. The man has played conservatives for suckers and if the GOP-e thought he could just cruise to victory running as a moderate, then it's their own stupid fault if he fumbles the ball.

Next time, run a conservative and you won't have this problem.
36 posted on 09/11/2012 10:33:01 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Tennessee Nana; MNJohnnie

He’s talking about Virgil Goode, the ex-Democrat Congresscritter, turned GOP, not Constitution Party.

I guess some people are slow on the uptake.


37 posted on 09/11/2012 10:33:08 AM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: Tennessee Nana; MNJohnnie

He’s talking about Virgil Goode, the ex-Democrat Congresscritter, turned GOP, *now* Constitution Party.

I guess some people are slow on the uptake.


38 posted on 09/11/2012 10:33:26 AM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: DannyTN

“Republicans were the main force driving “free trade” that has decimated our manufacturing. They are probably most at fault. “

Real free trade cant ‘decimate’ manufacturing. Government regulations that raise wage costs and make us uncompetitive does.

“Both parties did little to prevent another oil shock despite having since 1970 to do so. “

See my other post here about Pelosi and Democrats in 2008 stopping ‘drill here, drill now’. The Democrats and Obama has an explicit high-energy-price policy. GOP should have done more, yes, but its been Democrat policy and opposition driving us away from energy independence.

“Bush shocked the nation and devastated consumer psychology with the way he asked for TARP. “
Good point. Also, the Treasury and Fed stopped bear stearns from going BK, but they just let lehman fail. Inexplicable.
the elites went into panic mode that made it worse.


39 posted on 09/11/2012 10:38:07 AM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: Moseley
As I predicted the GOP-e insiders are geared up to run lots of TV advertisements.

TV is a dying industry.

40 posted on 09/11/2012 10:42:42 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MNJohnnie
Yep there really are “Conservatives” in VA stupid enough to vote for a guy who was a Democrat when Reagan was President.

Or will they vote for a guy who repeatedly denounced Reagan when he ran for Senate against Ted Kennedy. Hmmmm....
41 posted on 09/11/2012 10:43:40 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Moseley

The GOP picked it’s upper crusted,fair-haired boy and now we will see how tassle-toe-loafers do against the Marxist in Chief, when we really needed a candidate in combat boots.


42 posted on 09/11/2012 10:45:36 AM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: WOSG; DannyTN
Manufacturing and employment in manufacturing are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

Mechanization, automation,computerization, robotics and improved work methods serve to reduce the costs of manufacturing by eliminating jobs.

The stuff still gets produced, only the labor component is disposed of.

American manufacturing continues to lead the world in terms of use of advanced technology, value and productivity achievements.

43 posted on 09/11/2012 10:48:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Moseley

GOP should have commercials showing Reagan coming back off Carter. It can be done, it just wasn’t.


44 posted on 09/11/2012 10:50:01 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: Yashcheritsiy; LS

“And why should I give any credit to what you define a “patriot” as?”

Forgive them, Prof LS, they know not what they say.


45 posted on 09/11/2012 10:53:54 AM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Wow you managed to contain yourself a whole minute.

You keep kidding yourself that you are acting out of any other spirit then one of malice and anger.


46 posted on 09/11/2012 10:54:44 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

What are you babbling about? What is this “page and a half of text” that you seem to believe exists and which I should have read?


47 posted on 09/11/2012 10:56:50 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: muawiyah
"American manufacturing continues to lead the world in terms of use of advanced technology, value and productivity achievements."

Which is why everything in Walmart is made in America instead of China. /s

I'm all for using advanced technology. If we ever develop a cheap general purpose robot with enough functionality that it can easily be trained to do jobs, we will have massive labor dislocations that we will need to figure out how to deal with. And at that point many products will cease to be made overseas because transportation costs will exceed the labor costs.

But when you go into Wal-Mart and everything is made in China, it's not automation that costing American's jobs. It's outsourcing and not having any protective import tariffs.

48 posted on 09/11/2012 10:58:04 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

When was the last time you bought an an aircraft at Wal-Mart?


49 posted on 09/11/2012 11:01:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: DannyTN
BTW, the real killer ap in the world is the INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING CONTAINER ~ they've made shipping around the world so cheap that we stay in business with our advanced manufacturing systems and they stay in business with small job shops and a lot of hand tooling.

Everybody wins ~ except when they lose.

I really have no interest in returning to work in a nonmechanized automotive plant building truck engines ~ or a commercial chicken preparation factory where the highest tech was a band saw!

Just ain't gonna' do it.

50 posted on 09/11/2012 11:14:03 AM PDT by muawiyah
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