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REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines
freebeacon ^ | 9/13/12 | a kredo

Posted on 09/13/2012 3:46:05 PM PDT by bestintxas

U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo.

Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson “did not permit U.S. Marine guards to carry live ammunition,” according to multiple reports on U.S. Marine Corps blogs spotted by Nightwatch. “She neutralized any U.S. military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy.”

Time magazine’s Battleland blog reported Thursday that “senior U.S. officials late Wednesday declined to discuss in detail the security at either Cairo or Benghazi, so answers may be slow in coming.”

If true, the reports indicate that Patterson shirked her obligation to protect U.S. interests, Nightwatch states.

“She did not defend U.S. sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office,” the report states. “She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines.”

While Marines are typically relied on to defend U.S. territory abroad, such as embassies, these reports indicate that the Obama administration was relying on Egypt’s new Muslim Brotherhood-backed government to ensure American security, a move observers are questioning as violence in Cairo continues to rage.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: annepatterson; bhostatedept; gulfoftonkin2012; obama; soshillary; usmc; wagthedog2012
Reminds of the speech given by the very last Democrat to be an unabashed patriot.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2004/zellmiller2004rnc.htm

1 posted on 09/13/2012 3:46:11 PM PDT by bestintxas
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To: bestintxas

I said that yesterday before this made the news.

Marine unit dispatched to secure consulate in Benghazi after deadly attacks
Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:26:36 AM · 8 of 58
KeyLargo to Hunton Peck

And the Marines rifle ammo will be kept in storage at the Embassy so as not to offend Muslims....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2929869/posts

I know how the military brass think. We were subjected to ammo being locked up in a Conex container by the Army company armorer, when I was enjoying a Viet Nam ‘vacation’ in 1968 compliments of Uncle Sam. Until we were attacked by the VC and had to break open the container!


2 posted on 09/13/2012 3:54:27 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: bestintxas
“While Marines are typically relied on to defend U.S. territory abroad, such as embassies, these reports indicate that the Obama administration was relying on Egypt’s new Muslim Brotherhood-backed government to ensure American security, a move observers are questioning as violence in Cairo continues to rage.”

If this is the case I say Hillary and Obama when traveling overseas should have the Muslim Brotherhood government ensuring their safety as well no ammo for either of them. What makes those 2 more special than anyone else they are just mere mortals same as you and I and only with a title.

FUBO and FUHRC

3 posted on 09/13/2012 3:55:19 PM PDT by funfan
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To: bestintxas

Now all of our ememies know the embassy guards don’t have anything to fight them with.


4 posted on 09/13/2012 3:56:39 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: bestintxas

Since when does the State Dept. determine whether military personnel are armed?


5 posted on 09/13/2012 3:57:13 PM PDT by markoman (The man with the rubber glove was....surprisingly gentle.)
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To: bestintxas

They trust the MB,more than they trust the Marines.


6 posted on 09/13/2012 3:58:12 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: bestintxas
U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo.

*****************

...Not that our Marines don't understand "fix bayonets"...
(OOooooh RAH!!)

Live ammo is better...
....Easier to clean up afterwards...

Give or take a few special surprises protecting the "last-ditch" defensive position... etc... etc...

7 posted on 09/13/2012 4:01:27 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: bestintxas

Well, them, I am sorry she wasn’t the one who suffered for her actions. SHE has Ambassador Stevens’ blood on her hands.


8 posted on 09/13/2012 4:02:48 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: bestintxas

Basic firepower for the Marines ought to be 30 cal miniguns which can sweep the grounds in every direction, always ready, with sufficient ammo.

And 20 mm rotating cannons on the rooftops to deal with approaching vehicles.


9 posted on 09/13/2012 4:03:41 PM PDT by lurk
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To: bestintxas

Obama and his hand-picked ambassadors would never condone the taking of a muslim life.


10 posted on 09/13/2012 4:07:41 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: bestintxas

This whole thing ought to be a major campaign issue. But given the power of the Mainstream Media and the reticence of Romney to be a fighter, what do you want to bet it’s forgotten by the public in a couple of weeks?


11 posted on 09/13/2012 4:10:32 PM PDT by River Hawk
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To: bestintxas

Gulf of Tonkin 2012.


12 posted on 09/13/2012 4:11:44 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Republican pizza man who only votes for democrats - what's his Freeper name?)
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To: bestintxas
The Marines don't need no stinkin' ammo. It should all be shipped to Homeland Security so they can add it to the 450 MILLION rounds of hollow-point handgun ammo they recently ordered. The more they have (ammo), the more U.S. citizens they can deal with.

s/

13 posted on 09/13/2012 4:13:17 PM PDT by jmax (Full mag inserted, round in chamber, hammer is back...safety is OFF.)
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To: markoman
Absolutely, there is the scandal. WTF
14 posted on 09/13/2012 4:17:10 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: bestintxas

Can the Marines at least say “bang...bang,bang” like a Bugs Bunny cartoon?


15 posted on 09/13/2012 4:31:08 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (No matter who you elect,the government eventually gets in.)
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To: bestintxas

This is nothing new... In the Navy in the early to mid sixties, we stood quarterdeck watches with a 45 on our hip. But no ammunition. This was true for both Westpac and the Med.


16 posted on 09/13/2012 4:35:15 PM PDT by babygene
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To: bestintxas

Maybe the Social Security administration or Forestry service could be talked into sending a few hundred thousand rounds to our fighting men in harms way.
Assuming there are no unexpected `gray panther’ or bear uprisings anticipated by the administration. That’s asking a lot, I know.


17 posted on 09/13/2012 4:48:15 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: babygene
This is nothing new... In the Navy in the early to mid sixties, we stood quarterdeck watches with a 45 on our hip. But no ammunition. This was true for both Westpac and the Med.

Hummmm, don't know about the Navy you were in but on U.S. Submarines in the '70s our top side watches, didn't have a loaded weapon, but certainly did have a live clip on the belt and available for use if necessary.

18 posted on 09/13/2012 4:58:09 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: WHBates

“Hummmm, don’t know about the Navy you were in but on U.S. Submarines in the ‘70s our top side watches, didn’t have a loaded weapon, but certainly did have a live clip on the belt and available for use if necessary.”

I wasn’t in the Navy in the seventies, and apparently you weren’t in the sixties...


19 posted on 09/13/2012 5:05:24 PM PDT by babygene
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To: bestintxas

Brett Baier reported on this tonight saying that it was not true. Let’s hope he’s right.


20 posted on 09/13/2012 5:13:18 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: NoLibZone

I really think your on to something with Gulf of Tonkin, but I think with a USS LIBERTY combo.


21 posted on 09/13/2012 5:23:21 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: babygene

I was a submarine officer who recently got out two years ago. I can assure you that the pier watch, quarterdeck watch, below deck watch, etc were definately loaded.


22 posted on 09/13/2012 5:28:14 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: JudyinCanada

Brett reads what’s handed to him! And speaking of Brett, I nearly puked listening to the skank from AP that he had on there this evening, lying her soul to a cinder regarding the the faux controversy the media hyped up over Romney’s statement......which, by the way, was far and away more PRESIDENTIAL than Zero’s was!


23 posted on 09/13/2012 5:28:32 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: JudyinCanada

Breitbart

“the consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens was killed was an “interim facility” with zero Marines. None. Instead, it was staffed by Libyan security officers, who according to CBS News, told Ambassador Stevens to hide in a second building, then promptly directed the Islamist mob to him. He was murdered and dragged through the streets.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/12/Clinton-responsible-for-security-failures-apologies


24 posted on 09/13/2012 5:29:05 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: bestintxas
Marines
25 posted on 09/13/2012 6:09:47 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: castlegreyskull

“I was a submarine officer who recently got out two years ago. I can assure you that the pier watch, quarterdeck watch, below deck watch, etc were definately loaded.”

Well, I was never on a sub. However In can tell you as an NCO in the sixties, not only did we not carry live ammunition, I to this day have never fired a 45. I could field strip one, but never fired one. I stood quarterdeck watch as well as shore patrol for three years...


26 posted on 09/13/2012 8:26:41 PM PDT by babygene
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To: babygene

“I was a submarine officer who recently got out two years ago. I can assure you that the pier watch, quarterdeck watch, below deck watch, etc were definately loaded.”

“Well, I was never on a sub. However In can tell you as an NCO in the sixties, not only did we not carry live ammunition, I to this day have never fired a 45. I could field strip one, but never fired one. I stood quarterdeck watch as well as shore patrol for three years...”

I totally believe you. It is just interesting the change in posture over the times. Even in the 90’s I heard stories similiar to yours. One sad story is that near the end of my tour on my boat one of the quarterdeck watches committed suicide right there on the pier.


27 posted on 09/14/2012 2:58:24 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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