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To: MestaMachine
I would like to see that.

I know that when Obayma proclaimed that he is "a citizen of the world" he told all Christians exactly who he is.

We should all grow our faith at this time.

15 posted on 09/14/2012 1:21:24 AM PDT by exnavy (The time is upon us, fish or cut bait, may God guide your heart.)
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To: LucyT
...I am convinced that in order to move forward, we must say openly the things we hold in our hearts, and that too often are said only behind closed doors. There must be a sustained effort to listen to each other; to learn from each other; to respect one another; and to seek common ground. As the Holy Koran tells us, “Be conscious of God and speak always the truth.”
He used the K book 33:70 completely out of context for western ears. For MUSLIM ears,:
If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease and the agitators in the city do not desist, We shall most certainly set you over them, then they shall not be your neighbors in it but for a little while;

Cursed: wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering.

(Such has been) the course of Allah with respect to those who have gone before; and you shall not find any change in the course of Allah.

Men ask you about the hour; say: The knowledge of it is only with Allah, and what will make you comprehend that the : hour may be nigh.


Surely Allah has cursed the unbelievers and has prepared for them a burning fire,

To abide therein for a long time; they shall not find a protector or a helper.

On the day when their faces shall be turned back into the fire, they shall say: O would that we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!

And they shall say: O our Lord! surely we obeyed our leaders and our great men, so they led us astray from the path;

O our Lord! give them a double punishment and curse them with a great curse.

O you who believe! be not like those who spoke evil things of Musa, but Allah cleared him of what they said, and he was worthy of regard with Allah.

O you who believe! be careful of(your duty to) Allah and speak the right word,

He will put your deeds into a right state for you, and forgive you your faults; and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger, he indeed achieves a mighty success.

Surely We offered the trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, but they refused to be unfaithful to it and feared from it, and man has turned unfaithful to it; surely he is unjust, ignorant;

So Allah will chastise the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women and the polytheistic men and the polytheistic women, and Allah will turn (mercifully) to the believing women, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President John Adams wrote, “The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims.”
And when the first Muslim-American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same Holy Koran that one of our Founding Fathers — Thomas Jefferson — kept in his personal library.
*The ToTrip was actually a formally negotiated treaty to pay tribute to Barbary Pirates to stop attacking US Ships. The treaty itself was not a document signed out of respect, but out of fear. The US did not have a navy capable of protecting US shipping in the Barbary sealanes and the pirates’ treatment of Christians on board those ships was horrendous.
Thus the “treaty.” And thus, Article 11, a mistranslation of the original arabic, read and ratified, states:
“Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

However, before anyone in the United States saw the Treaty, its required payments, in the form of goods and money, had been made in part. As Barlow declared: “The present writing done by our hand and delivered to the American Captain OBrien makes known that he has delivered to us forty thousand Spanish dollars,-thirteen watches of gold, silver & pinsbach,-five rings, of which three of diamonds, one of saphire and one with a watch in it, One hundred & forty piques of cloth, and four caftans of brocade,-and these on account of the peace concluded with the Americans.” However, this was an incomplete amount of goods stipulated under the treaty (according to the Pasha of Tripoli) and an additional $18,000 dollars had to be paid by the American Consul James Leander Cathcart at his arrival on April 10, 1799.

It was not until these final goods were delivered that the Pasha of Tripoli recognized the Treaty as official.

Morrocco was also the first to break the treaty when the Pasha demanded more than the negotiated retribution, starting the second Barbary War.
The Koran that Jefferson kept was read by him to better understand and FIGHT the Barbary Pirates and was in no way because he respected them. He learned their hateful “religion” to fight them...and WIN!

In short, Obama’s rendering of history was distorted to present a tranquil and mutually respectful situation which never existed in reality, and his statement about Jefferson’s K book is very carefully parsed to make it seem as if Jefferson just loved the b@st@rds.

897 posted on Monday, June 08, 2009 2:53:03 AM by MestaMachine (What goes up must come down...or not.)
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To: LucyT
Further info:
It was not without meaning for Obama to cite Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli. It declares that the US was not built on Christian foundations specifically so that muslim pirates could not use their war against Christianity as an excuse to attack American ships.
The separation of church and state crowd has used this “article” repeatedly to have any remnant of Christianity and Judaism removed from public property. (Judaism because it is the root of Christianity.) There have been NO similar requirements of islam.
I urge you to pay attention to what the above chapter 33 in the Koran actually says, because Obama knows it well.

It means that the hour is quickly approaching wherein non-believers shall be defeated and dominated by “believers” in the countries and cities where they live. This has always been Allah’s way, and nothing has changed. Those who do not submit will be murdered in horrible ways. (Some translations refer to it as slaughter.)
Cities and countrysides will burn and there will be nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. Starting forest fires and brush fires is as much a part of the islamic warfare manual, as is blowing up buildings and people.
Anyone who didn’t convert by choice initially tries to convert after being captured, their punishment will be worse than anything imaginable.
In 33:69, Musa is Moses. In other words, Obama is the Moses of our time, and anyone who speaks ill of him is a liar, so do not speak ill of the ONE.
We have already seen that play out on a small scale. It will get worse.
Anyone who does not raccept the offer to convert and submit to islam is unjust and ignorant, worthy of great punishment.
It is the way of islam to make the offer to convert three times. Obama has given two major speeches in islamic countries while declaring The US an islamic country. The next speech will be here, (since we have been declared by the president to be an islamic country,) on American soil.
It is islamic tradition to enslave and marry captured women. The men can die. The women will be forced into islam.
This is a very real vision the muslims have. We think it cannot happen here, but it doesn’t matter what we think. THEY believe it and will do whatever it takes to make it happen. The proverbial barbarians are already inside the gates.

It is a misnomer, a gratuituous pander, started by Bill Clinton, that Morocco was the first country to recognize the United States in 1777.

The Kingdom of Morocco only recognized AMERICA insofar as American shipping vessels were concerned. The King, Mohammad III, a unique ruler for his time, was more interested in trade than piracy so he put American ships under his protection in his waters. There was no document, just a verbal declaration of protection putting the pirates on notice.
There was no formal recognition of the United States of America by Morocco until 1786.

On february the 26th of 1782, the Frisian parliament took the decision to instruct their representatives in the Hague to take measures to promote the admission of John Adams as ambassador of the USA, in which they were strongly supported by their citizens. So the Frisians were the first to recognize the independence of the United States of America. On the 19th of April 1782 the Frisian example was followed by the general parliament in The Hague.

898 posted on Monday, June 08, 2009 4:13:37 AM by MestaMachine (What goes up must come down...or not.)
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To: LucyT
Slight correction for Article 11 Christian *foundations. What they said was “ no way founded on the Christian religion.” They used RELIGION instead of principles or foundations. Technically, the US government is not a Religious Christian Government. A Christian GOVERNMENT would be unconstitutional.
Like the 2nd Amendment, liberals and atheists have twisted the meaning of this article for their own ends, and now Obama has used it for his.

899 posted on Monday, June 08, 2009 3:32:37 PM by MestaMachine (What goes up must come down...or not.)

18 posted on 09/14/2012 1:57:05 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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