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Kansan seeks end to Obama ballot challenge - Critic notes 'intimidation' in withdrawal request
Topeka Capital-Journal ^ | 9-14-2012 | Tim Carpenter

Posted on 09/14/2012 12:52:22 PM PDT by smoothsailing

Kansan seeks end to Obama ballot challenge

Critic notes 'intimidation' in withdrawal request

By Tim Carpenter

THE CAPITAL-JOURNAL

The Manhattan man who posed a formal challenge to President Barack Obama's place on the Kansas general election ballot Friday requested immediate withdrawal of the appeal due to an avalanche of criticism.

The Kansas Objections Board had taken the complaint filed by Joe Montgomery under advisement on Thursday, pending requests for official copies of Obama's birth records. The ballot issue was tied to Montgomery's assertion Obama wasn't a qualified candidate for president because of his citizenship status and that of his father.

"There has been a great deal of animosity and intimidation directed not only at me, but at people around me," Montgomery said in the formal withdrawal request to Secretary of State Kris Kobach. "I don't wish to burden anyone with more of this negative reaction."

Kobach, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer had planned to convene the state board on Monday to consider new documentary evidence regarding Montgomery's claim that Obama should be dropped from ballots.

Kay Curtis, spokeswoman for the secretary of state, said there was a tentative plan to conduct the meeting Monday. The procedure remains unclear, but it may be necessary for the board to formally accept Montgomery's decision.

"This is kind of unprecedented," Curtis said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; kansas; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamafraud
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1 posted on 09/14/2012 12:52:26 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

The thug administration strikes again.

Enemies of truth at every turn.


2 posted on 09/14/2012 12:58:34 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: smoothsailing

It’s no different in the USA than in Libya or Egypt.

Either we stand up to this )(**&&^%^%^^&&*( or we become another Iran or Mexico.

Whoever is doing the intimidation - law enforcement, track them down and put their sorry a$$es in jail on terrorism charges. What do we have law enforcement for?

What this should tell every person in the USA is this: Al Qaeda has already taken over the USA. We are a banana republic.

And I can guarantee it was not little gray-haired nuns who scared this guy into backing down. It’s time to catch these Soros thugs and throw them into Gitmo and throw away the keys.


3 posted on 09/14/2012 1:00:34 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: fwdude
The thug administration strikes again. Enemies of truth at every turn.

Could just as easily be the media or the Muslim Brotherhood.

4 posted on 09/14/2012 1:02:38 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
another chicken wimps out.

America needs real Americans.

5 posted on 09/14/2012 1:03:00 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: smoothsailing

too late the issue is in the Secretary of State’s hands now.


6 posted on 09/14/2012 1:03:04 PM PDT by drewh
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To: smoothsailing

It is now obvious that the heat is getting to Obama regarding his Kenyan Birth and falsified Hawaii BC as he is now attacking the Legal Process that would be sure to bring down his presidency before the November election.


7 posted on 09/14/2012 1:09:52 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: drewh

It is the raging liberals in Kansas doing this. I know several that are throthing at the mouth over this.


8 posted on 09/14/2012 1:10:30 PM PDT by BallandPowder
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To: smoothsailing

Lock and load. Stand up or bow down.


9 posted on 09/14/2012 1:14:48 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: smoothsailing
"The thug administration strikes again. Enemies of truth at every turn."

Could just as easily be the media or the Muslim Brotherhood.

All the same.

10 posted on 09/14/2012 1:16:44 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: kingattax
another chicken wimps out.

America needs real Americans.

Agreed. If this were a single patriot alone, I could condemn him. But it is very likely that the government goons are going after some loved ones, some very vulnerable loved ones, of this guy. That changes the battlefield quite a bit.

And I put nothing past this regime as far as intimidation goes. You think Vince Foster had his reasons? That was nothing compared to this tyrannous thugocracy.

11 posted on 09/14/2012 1:22:25 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

12 posted on 09/14/2012 1:23:16 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: smoothsailing

So the law and Constitution should now be ignored because of popular demand???!!!!


13 posted on 09/14/2012 1:39:13 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: smoothsailing

Sounds like a bunch of liberal college students from K-State behind this at www.goemaw.com.


14 posted on 09/14/2012 1:51:20 PM PDT by Salthawk
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To: BallandPowder

Sounds like the guy is getting death threats.

But... the ball is over the wall, and he can “request withdrawal” all day long, and the SOS & the AG will handle it.


15 posted on 09/14/2012 1:54:09 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Salthawk

It wouldn’t surprise me. The guy who is withdrawing his ballot challenge works at K-State and also apparently is the public address announcer for the K-State Marching Band.

http://www.themercury.com/News/article.aspx?articleId=76a0973a91374c64952f64353eef8275

Could be the work of militant tuba players.


16 posted on 09/14/2012 2:09:32 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: butterdezillion; null and void

” - - - The Manhattan man who posed a formal challenge to President Barack Obama’s place on the Kansas general election ballot Friday requested immediate withdrawal of the appeal due to an avalanche of criticism.”

PING!


17 posted on 09/14/2012 2:17:42 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: smoothsailing

” - - - “There has been a great deal of animosity and intimidation directed not only at me, but at people around me,” Montgomery said in the formal withdrawal request to Secretary of State Kris Kobach. “

Looks like Montgomery hit Obama’s hot button! Well, maybe Jarrett and Axelrod’s hot buttons.

Chin up, Montgomery. This is the way Liberals throw their hissy-fits, get used to it.


18 posted on 09/14/2012 2:23:18 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Graewoulf
Poor guy. It's a lot easier when it isn't your baby daughter being threatened.

(or whatever other lever they used to pry on him)

19 posted on 09/14/2012 2:27:45 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1334 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: smoothsailing

Yeah, there was a lib on another board bragging how goemaw.com saved Kansas from this. These libs have just gotten so arrogant these days that it is acceptable to harass and threaten people they don’t agree with. What a sad day for Kansas and our freedoms.


20 posted on 09/14/2012 2:31:20 PM PDT by Salthawk
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To: Salthawk

I hope SOS Kobach and the Kansas officials reject the withdrawal request, seems like that would be within their authority. After all, it certainly appears the request is being made under duress. I think Kansas has an obligation now to protect Montgomery and also rule on the original challenge based on the evidence they’ve requested from Hawaii, Arkansas, and Mississsippi.


21 posted on 09/14/2012 2:41:37 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: drewh
"too late the issue is in the Secretary of State’s hands now."

Unfortunately, not.

"There's no possibility of Obama's name coming off the ballot when there's no objection," Kobach said.

Kan. man drops challenge to Obama on state ballot

http://www.necn.com/09/14/12/Kan-man-drops-challenge-to-Obama-on-stat/landing_nation.html?&apID=dd46f34a4c7b46889f732dee437fb672

Secretary of State Kris Kobach serves as the board's chairman.

"There has been a great deal of animosity and intimidation directed not only at me, but at people around me, Montgomery wrote in his email, adding that he doesn't want to burden personal and professional associates with "more of this negative reaction."

Montgomery's plans to drop his challenge were first reported by the Manhattan Mercury. The Objections Board would be the final word on whether Obama appears on the ballot as the Democratic Party's nominee, absent a court challenge. Kobach and its other members, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer, are all Republicans, and Montgomery is a registered Republican, according the secretary of state's office.

Kobach said the board still will meet Monday to formally close the case and add whatever additional information is available to the record.

"There's no possibility of Obama's name coming off the ballot when there's no objection," Kobach said.

22 posted on 09/14/2012 2:47:51 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: smoothsailing

I guess we’ll see. They are still going to meet Monday without Montgomery.


23 posted on 09/14/2012 2:49:42 PM PDT by Salthawk
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To: smoothsailing; butterdezillion

Ping to #22

Looks like the SOS is bailing.


24 posted on 09/14/2012 2:52:08 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Horse’s head in the bed, anyone?


25 posted on 09/14/2012 2:56:08 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Smokeyblue; Salthawk
Ping to #22 Looks like the SOS is bailing.

Darn. Thanks for the heads up, Smokeyblue.

26 posted on 09/14/2012 3:01:25 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; butterdezillion

I wonder if they are still seeking a copy of the birth certificate? I hope so. This article is from the NYSlimes published just a couple of hours ago.

Kansas Election Officials Seek Copy of Obama’s Birth Certificate

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/15/us/politics/kansas-election-officials-seek-copy-of-obamas-birth-certificate.html?_r=0

Kansas election officials on Friday were seeking to obtain a certified copy of President Obama’s birth certificate as they determined whether to allow him to remain on the ballot after a state resident challenged his citizenship, reigniting long-running conspiracy theories that the president was not born in the United States.


27 posted on 09/14/2012 3:14:44 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: kingattax

“...another chicken wimps out.America needs real Americans....”

How about you then? You ready to expose your family to attacks, threats, and other intimidation like this guy already has?

You should lay off calling the guy names. HE brought it up and had the guts to go to court with it. It’s now in Kansas voters’ minds, and if he goes even further public with the fact that they’re threatening him, that’s MORE publicity.

He IS a REAL American. He put himself right square in the arena with a bullseye on his back.


28 posted on 09/14/2012 3:15:14 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Smokeyblue

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/15/us/politics/kansas-election-officials-seek-copy-of-obamas-birth-certificate.html?_r=0

“We’re hoping to obtain that over the weekend,” Brad Bryant, the state’s election director, said of Mr. Obama’s birth certificate. “And then they will reconvene Monday in the morning to consider that document, put it in the record and then make a decision on whether the name of Barack Obama will be on the ballot.”

Good luck trying to get a copy from Hawaii.


29 posted on 09/14/2012 3:16:13 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Intimidated by the OBots.


30 posted on 09/14/2012 3:21:29 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: smoothsailing; butterdezillion

Posted 10 minutes ago on the NYSlimes Blog:

Kansas Birthers

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/kansas-birthers/

The board has asked the authorities in Honolulu, Arizona and Mississippi for documentation to verify the authenticity of Mr. Obama’s birth certificate. It’s also trying to settle the separate question of whether the president is a “natural born” citizen, since his father was Kenyan and, in the view of some conspiracy theorists, the Constitution’s definition of “natural born” means having two citizen parents. They’re wrong about that, but it hasn’t stopped them.

“I do think the factual record could be supplemented,” said Mr. Kobach, who is also an informal adviser to Mitt Romney.


31 posted on 09/14/2012 3:22:03 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

I expressed a similar thought in #21. I see no reson why they can’t include any info they receive in a public report even if they take no action regarding the ballot challenge.


32 posted on 09/14/2012 3:23:45 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Smokeyblue

“The board has asked the authorities in Honolulu, Arizona and Mississippi for documentation to verify the authenticity of Mr. Obama’s birth certificate.”

Mississippi??? What?


33 posted on 09/14/2012 3:23:52 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue
It’s also trying to settle the separate question of whether the president is a “natural born” citizen, since his father was Kenyan and, in the view of some conspiracy theorists, the Constitution’s definition of “natural born” means having two citizen parents. They’re wrong about that, but it hasn’t stopped them.

“I do think the factual record could be supplemented,” said Mr. Kobach, who is also an informal adviser to Mitt Romney.

No, you are wrong and speak out in ignorance:


The viewpoint the US government back in history. An article from the New York Times, published March 30th, 1874. The Committee on Foreign Relations:


Nework Times  March  29, 1874  House Foreign Rel citizens pg1, 1874 House Foreign Relations Committee  Bill pertaining to Citizenship under the 14th Amendment.

Continued.

New York  Times House Foreign Relations Committee March,  29, 1874, 1874 House Foreign Relations Committee  Bill pertaining to Citizenship under the 14th Amendment. Newyork Times reported 30th March , 1874   Page 2 of 2

34 posted on 09/14/2012 3:34:15 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Smokeyblue

“Kobach moved to seek documents and regroup Monday. He said an official board should review official records presented to a court in Mississippi and the secretary of state’s office in Arizona. Kobach said he would also seek certified documents from Hawaii, where Obama was born.

Kobach said he wanted to see certification that Obama’s birth certificate is on record and that records displayed by the White House are consistent with documents on record in Hawaii.”

http://www.kansas.com/2012/09/14/2489641/manhattan-man-drops-challenge.html


35 posted on 09/14/2012 4:04:57 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: NFHale

” He IS a REAL American. He put himself right square in the arena with a bullseye on his back.”

Yes he did. I wonder what the thugs threatened him with,
probably his family.


36 posted on 09/14/2012 4:05:33 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Red Steel
Great find RS. Specifically, within the "Thirdly" section near the bottom of the first page.

"Or subjects of another state."

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html

Factcheck.org goes on to say this about Obama Sr., Jr. and the British Nationality Act of 1948:

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii)* and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

Obama was "born a subject of Great Britian."

The 14th Amendment for "citizenship" doesn't even apply to him. Let alone being a "natural born Citizen."

 

John Bingham, "father of the 14th Amendment", the abolitionist congressman from Ohio who prosecuted Lincoln's assassins, reaffirmed the definition known to the framers, not once, but twice during Congressional discussions of Citizenship pertaining to the upcoming 14th Amendment and a 3rd time nearly 4 years after the 14th was adopted.

The House of Representatives definition for "natural born Citizen" was read into the Congressional Record during the Civil War, without contest!

"All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians." (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862)).

 

The House of Representatives definition for "natural born Citizen" was read into the Congressional Record after the Civil War, without contest!

every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))"

No other Representative ever took issue with these words on the floor of the House. If you read the Congressional Globe to study these debates, you will see that many of the underlying issues were hotly contested. However, Bingham’s definition of “natural born citizen” (born of citizen parents in the sovereign territory of the U.S.) was never challenged on the floor of the House. Without a challenge on the definition, it appears the ALL where in agreement.


 
Then, during a debate (see pg. 2791) on April 25, 1872 regarding a certain Dr. Houard, who had been incarcerated in Spain, the issue was raised on the floor of the House of Representatives as to whether the man was a US citizen (generally. they were not trying to decide if he was a NBC). Representative Bingham (of Ohio), stated on the floor:

“As to the question of citizenship I am willing to resolve all doubts in favor of a citizen of the United States. That Dr. Houard is a natural-born citizen of the United States there is not room for the shadow of a doubt. He was born of naturalized parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, and by the express words of the Constitution, as amended to-day, he is declared to all the world to be a citizen of the United States by birth.”

(The term “to-day”, as used by Bingham, means “to date”. Obviously, the Constitution had not been amended on April 25, 1872. And, since they knew he was, without a doubt, a natural born Citizen...he was, of course, considered a citizen of the U.S.)

The take away from this is that, while the debates and discussions went on for years in the people's house regarding "citizenship" and the 14th Amendment, not a single Congressman disagreed with the primary architect's multiple statements on who is a natural born Citizen per the Constitution. The United States House was in complete agreement at the time. NBC = born in sovereign U.S. territory, to 2 citizen parentS who owe allegiance to no other country.


37 posted on 09/14/2012 4:09:37 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: kingattax

How about you?


38 posted on 09/14/2012 4:14:39 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
and you....saving this country is going to take all of us

any more sarcasm ?

39 posted on 09/14/2012 4:32:44 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: kingattax

You’re the one who called a brave man a coward. I admit I’m not as brave as he. Since you’re so brave, step up to the plate.


40 posted on 09/14/2012 4:34:39 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: rxsid
It clears up much of the intent under the 14th Amendment. For instance, The Obots, and after-birthers here always argue "The Subject of the Jurisdiction Thereof" only applies to laws inside the US, but it still also applies to citizens of the US who are in another county or a foreigner of another country inside the US. They are still "The Subject of the Jurisdiction Thereof" of their respective countries.

As an example, if a US citizen makes money in another country, (as I recall, exempt up to about 70k but have to pay if they make more) they are still subject to be taxed by the United States regardless that the money was made in another county. They are still "The Subject of the Jurisdiction Thereof" of the United States.

The source at the NYT:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10E16F93B5D1A7493C2AA1788D85F408784F9

You can download the complete article in PDF form,

"CITIZENSHIP.; BILL TO CARRY INTO EXECUTION THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION CONCERNING CITIZENSHIP."

41 posted on 09/14/2012 4:37:41 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rxsid
"Or subjects of another state."

LoL. My last post was talking the same. [grin] :-)

42 posted on 09/14/2012 4:46:18 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rxsid; Red Steel

I read that Obama has lately referred to being raised by a “single mother”. Is this an attempt to remove Barack Sr. from the equation?


43 posted on 09/14/2012 4:55:04 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: kingattax
another chicken wimps out. America needs real Americans.

I love it when you talk tough!! Tell me, do you ever act tough?

44 posted on 09/14/2012 5:05:09 PM PDT by bobzeetwin
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To: smoothsailing

Some how I missed this whole Mississippi story. Do you know what happened or is it ongoing?

Kansas Republicans: We need to see Obama’s birth certificate

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57513244-503544/kansas-republicans-we-need-to-see-obamas-birth-certificate/

Mississippi lawmakers went to court to compel Hawaii to produce a birth certificate. Separately, a citizen of Mississippi alleged in a lawsuit that the president’s Hawaii birth certificate was fake.


45 posted on 09/14/2012 5:31:33 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: smoothsailing
I read that Obama has lately referred to being raised by a “single mother”. Is this an attempt to remove Barack Sr. from the equation?

Had the same thought. Yes, Obama's lame attempt.

46 posted on 09/14/2012 5:36:32 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Smokeyblue

I don’t know much about the Mississippi challenge beyond seeing that Dr. Orly Taitz is involved...

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?page_id=190748


47 posted on 09/14/2012 6:40:09 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Ok. Thanks.


48 posted on 09/14/2012 6:46:40 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

The Mississippi Democratic Executive Committee specifically designed a verification request so that Onaka could verify what they asked REGARDLESS of whether there was a legally-valid record for Obama or not. They then submitted that verification in a case against Orly Taitz, being very careful to FURTHER clarify the very limited verification they asked for, saying that when they said “information” they only meant BIRTH FACTS (the other “information” that would be included on a BC being processing and legal validity information - which MDEC was careful to distance itself from so it could not be said they were claiming to a judge that the HI BC was legally valid, even though they had every chance of knowing that Onaka had already confirmed it is NOT legally valid.)

IOW, MDEC covered all the right places with fig leaves so it is abundantly clear that they knew Onaka had already verified that Obama’s HI BC is not legally valid.

That’s how Mississippi comes into the picture.


49 posted on 09/14/2012 7:21:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“..Yes he did. I wonder what the thugs threatened him with,
probably his family...”

It’s how they work. That or financially.

But for some keyboard commando to call him “chicken” is just ridiculous, you know?


50 posted on 09/15/2012 11:24:02 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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