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To: Tublecane
the Churchill who fought the labor government of, Clement Atlee after the war tooth and nail.

The Churchill who put troops into Russia in 1919 and fought against removing them in hopes of defeating the Soviets.

The Churchill who made the "Iron Curtain" speech.

The Churchill of the liberal party after the turn of the 20th century forwarded laws most of us today would fully approve of such as child labor laws and Social Security schemes to regulate the excesses of the Victorian age which were really the excesses of the Industrial Revolution.


11 posted on 09/16/2012 1:30:24 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

I don’t believe in child laborious laws nor social security.

Churchill may have compared socialists to nazis after the war, but he was easily more upset by the loss of empire. A loss which he virtually ensured in “the finest hour.” That he fought tooth and nail. The Beveridge Report State his party was willing to meet almost all the way. But you know how it is with (relative) conservatives trying to outbid (relative) socialists.

Though a lifelong free trader, that is about all libertarians can claim in him. He was a Big Government guy his whole life.

The guy who gave the Iron Curtain speech is the same guy who helped hang that curtain. Not that he could have stopped it, after a certain point, but he didn’t have to help.

Churchill was hardly ahead of the curb in seeing the red coup as evil. We didn’t recognize them diplomatically until FDR. He may have been unique in wanting to go to war, but safe to say he was overfond of war.

His welfarism was not just rounding off the evils of the bated unrestrained market. It was importing Bismarkism, and that is the precise original cause of “sovereign debt crises” of today. Well, that or mass democracy itself. I don’t know.


24 posted on 09/16/2012 1:45:48 AM PDT by Tublecane
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