Most people are pissed off.
Millions of those that once had jobs and are now collecting food stamps and a fraction of what the once made after losing their homes, saving, businesses are pissed off. Not all of these folks are professional takers.
The big problem is the millions now finding themselves out of work, or underemployed, the millions who've lost jobs, homes etc, have no stinking money to give the all consuming monster government..Raise their taxes? What a hoot.
About 30 percent of the country bought the financial farm. Government knows this.
It's one reasons why fat gov is ramping up and going after the wealthy with vengeance now.
We need to shift the discussion from who needs to pay more taxes, to radically and dramatically cutting the size and scope of government spending and control, for the benefit of all.
Ya see, it's Government that is driving all this madness.
No shifting the discussion.
We need to identify all that is wrong.
Too much spending AND too many people who are in a tax bracket that pays no federal income tax.
If I may interject with a brief, iPhone posted post: I believe he point is this, if we bring more people into the game, then more will have a reason, heck, will have a MOTIVATION to pressure the gov to cut spending.
That’s the point, I believe. No one (at least not me) is saying its “good” to raise taxes, for the point of raising revenue. It would be “good” though because the automatic consequence is that it would FORCE the apathetic to pressure Congress to stop the waste.
Why do you think every cycle those of us paying attention always complain about nothing ever getting done about the wastefull spending? Why do you think nothing ever DOES get done?
Precisely because as was said before: to those who (in effect) pay no income taxes, there is no real world “connection” to the out of control spending. And thus, there is no motivation for those people to do anything to stop the spending. After all, they aren’t loosing any of THEIR money (even though they are but don’t realize it), so why should they?
Put another way, some “horse” must come before this “cart”. I propose that the proper horse to put in front is motivation from the masses. I propose that there can be no real change unless a majority of people in a society want such change. And, a least a significant minority (47%), soon to be a majority, quite frankly have no motivation to change the status quo.
That motivation won’t come from grand arguments for conservatism and/or liberty. It’ll come when their checkbook is hit.
If I may interject with a brief, iPhone posted post: I believe he point is this, if we bring more people into the game, then more will have a reason, heck, will have a MOTIVATION to pressure the gov to cut spending.
That’s the point, I believe. No one (at least not me) is saying its “good” to raise taxes, for the point of raising revenue. It would be “good” though because the automatic consequence is that it would FORCE the apathetic to pressure Congress to stop the waste.
Why do you think every cycle those of us paying attention always complain about nothing ever getting done about the wastefull spending? Why do you think nothing ever DOES get done?
Precisely because as was said before: to those who (in effect) pay no income taxes, there is no real world “connection” to the out of control spending. And thus, there is no motivation for those people to do anything to stop the spending. After all, they aren’t loosing any of THEIR money (even though they are but don’t realize it), so why should they?
Put another way, some “horse” must come before this “cart”. I propose that the proper horse to put in front is motivation from the masses. I propose that there can be no real change unless a majority of people in a society want such change. And, a least a significant minority (47%), soon to be a majority, quite frankly have no motivation to change the status quo.
That motivation won’t come from grand arguments for conservatism and/or liberty. It’ll come when their checkbook is hit.
I don’t agree dragnet, there are many Americans that are fat, dumb, and happy to be getting their checks from the gov’t and aren’t pissed off at all. Sure, most of your friends and most of my friends are pissed off, but you’re missing the totality. There are so many people out there that want to bring down this country, or at the very least bring down the “makers”...they are happy as a clam and don’t care about the destruction they cause as long as they get their checks.
That’s why I want everyone to pay something because that is when the anger really starts and people finally wake up.