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To: MarineDad

Mecca and Medina will never be assaulted by the west. We are signatories to the United Nations. Our leadership fear violating international law which would lead the Haag. Hell, Bush had to return from a trip because he found out, in midair, that he was going to be arrested when his aircraft set down. Unless we get around this impediment we will never, ever feel we can do what needs to be done. On the other hand, if al Queda is handed a nuclear device, they will detonate it in the most populace area in the west. It is coming at us with precious little resistance. The days of Dresden will never return. Once the devastation of millions in a western city, the light bulb will begin to flicker...that is what we should have done years prior. But, not until the unthinkable is done to us in the west. When Iran gets the bomb, Egypt will say it must have the bomb. Other arab states will feel they need to obtain a nuclear device. When those leaders are pressed by the threat to losing their priviledged positions by radicals, they will use that tool. It is a horror too great to consider. This should be dealt with NOW before this happens. But there is nothing but cowardice in the Halls of Congress and the White House. I swear, I do not see a good outcome to this unless the people of this country demand it. But we are too busy watching television pretending that is reality.


40 posted on 09/18/2012 12:56:32 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (<)
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To: Texas Songwriter; wiseprince
unless the people of this country demand it

It would require we take a page out of the moslems rage book, and have a Mock Mohammad day and take it worldwide. I cannot take credit for this idea. Am pinging wiseprince.

44 posted on 09/18/2012 1:01:02 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Texas Songwriter; MarineDad

I posted this on another website yesterday, but it fits here in a modified form.

It appears to me that some Egyptian Christians who do understand Islam very well might be behind the ludicrous Mohammed “video trailer” for valid psychological warfare purposes. Note that this Ann Barnhardt video from about a year ago has had new Arabic subtitles added by a group calling itself “LoveJesusforEgypt.” It has now been re-released on LiveLeak, and it is getting responses from Muslims, so it will probably be in the news shortly.

Both the “Innocence of Muslims” video and Barnhardt’s bacon Koran video indicate to me that Islam’s weaknesses are finally being exploited by those who understand them. Islam has a brittle glass jaw hidden behind its very effective smokescreen of fear and terror. Muslims cannot engage in rational debate, have no capacity for self-examination, and no sense of humor. In fact, these qualities are mortal sins within Islam. These two videos (and more that will follow) exploit the subrational Islamic thought processes, and cause them to lash out with reflexive Pavlovian anger, exposing the true nature of the insane death cult to those in the West who are still unaware of it, having been brainwashed by political correctness.

These videos are merely opening shots in a counter-jihad psy-ops war that will be fought by ordinary citizens, who also understand perfectly well by now that their elected leaders would rather submit than fight back effectively against the real enemy, which is Islam itself, and not some fuzzy and undefined “extremists” within “the religion of peace.”

This was a response from a reader:

“Muslim refusal to engage in rational debate, engage in self-examination, or permit “humorous” attacks on their religion are not weaknesses. They are mighty strengths! They are not Islam’s “brittle glass jaw”; they are its bulging biceps! These attributes generate fear in their enemies, and cause their enemies to seek to avoid provoking Muslims and to appease Muslims when they are angry.”

And my answer to him:

I agree that these attributes of Islam have proven to be a great advantage to it as a war religion for 1,400 years. However, we are now seeing before our eyes a paradigm shift that may bring about the end of Islam in the present generation. Samuel Huntington spoke of Islam’s “bloody borders,” but until the modern era, the true scope of the horror was only realized by the victims living on those borders who were under constant attack (the ultimately unsuccessful and now condemned counter-jihad we call the Crusades being the notable exception). Five hundred or a thousand miles from Islam’s bloody borders, it was always difficult to make people understand the existential threat Islam presented to all non-Muslim societies.

After its early rampant “break out” period, when seen in the context of each generation, Islam appeared to be merely biting off one more small slice of territory at a time. And on it marched, generation after generation, always moving forward, rarely being pushed back, impervious to self-examination or reformation, as deadly in our modern times as it was at the beginning.

That is changing now, because today the entire world sees Islam’s true face revealed when Muslims go into these insane rages after perceived insults to Mohammed. Their ingrained lack of introspection means that Muslims can easily be provoked into going beyond the stealth-mode they normally follow beyond Islam’s bloody borders, waking up the world to the existential threat Islam poses to all non-Muslim societies. Down the centuries, the West has often had appeasers and accommodationists as leaders, men who were willing to cut short-term local deals that over time always led to incremental Islamic advances. And these weak Western leaders were the only men who mattered, era by era. Today, as a contrast, average citizens around the world are beginning to understand how to push Islam’s automatic rage buttons, and this changes the former equation in a fundamental way. As you mentioned, videos released by lone, non-state actors at the right time could be used to torpedo the next sell-out by Western appeasers, such as over the inclusion of Turkey in the EU.

Another fundamental difference today from prior centuries is that millions of people understand that Islam has another tremendous weakness, another glass jaw, and that is their worship of the black moon rock in Mecca as Islam’s literal god-head. This black rock enshrined in the corner of the Kaaba is essential to Islam in a way that nothing in Judaism or Christianity is. The Cross lives in the hearts of Christians, and Christianity would not be destroyed if Jerusalem or Rome were destroyed. But that physical black rock in Mecca is the “hard drive” of Islam. Muslims believe that it contains all of the sins of all of the observant followers of the Prophet since the time of Mohammed, as sort of an Islamic Doomsday Book. Two of the Five Pillars of Islam involve the physical worship of that black moon rock. One is the Hajj to Mecca where pilgrims walk in a circle around the rock, and the other is the five-time daily prayer performed in its direction. (The other three pillars are ephemeral: the Shahada conversion prayer, the tithe, and observing Ramadan.) A religion that is impervious to change or self-examination (which James P says are strengths) cannot suddenly be reduced to The Three Pillars of Islam after 1,400 unbroken years as the Five Pillars of Islam.

In ancient Islamic history, the black moon rock was once stolen by a competing tribe, but after a brief time it was “found.” Islam carried on because nobody outside of a very small circle of imams even knew the rock was missing before it was replaced. But if Mecca was suddenly turned into a giant crater, there would be no way to conceal the fact from the world at large, including every Muslim. Today, observant Muslims believe that if every infidel nation fired every rocket and bomb at Mecca, Allah would turn them back or stop them in mid-flight. It is impossible for observant Muslims to believe that the Infidels could destroy the Kaaba, which is literally the physical manifestation on earth of their “greatest God.”

The Crusaders were only able to retake Jerusalem for a short time, and never got close to taking Mecca (assuming that they even understood its importance to Islam and had some notion of taking it). It was not within their power to threaten this source of Islam’s power and mystique, even if they had desired to do so. In all eras before modern mass communications, even if a Crusader “commando team” had made it to Mecca, it would not have changed anything, because the leading Muslim clerics would have replaced the black rock and rebuilt the Kaaba, and nobody would have ever known, in the same way that nobody at the time knew that the black rock had once been stolen and carried off.

Today, the entire world would know in the same hour that Mecca had been destroyed. This would destroy Islam as surely as the Aztec and Inca religions and empires were destroyed when the Spanish conquistadors captured and executed the “living Gods” at the center of the Aztec and Inca belief systems. If there is no Mecca, there is no Islam. There can be no Islam with three instead of five pillars, the two physical pillars having been destroyed by the Gods of the Infidels. “Allahu Akbar” means “our God is greatest.” This cannot be so if the Infidel God destroys the physical god-head of Islam, which is the black moon rock at the Kaaba in Mecca.

I have no expectation that any American president would order the destruction of Mecca, even if American cities had been destroyed with nuclear bombs sent from a Muslim country with a clear return address. However, not all nations are as hamstrung by self-doubt and political correctness as we are. Russia, India, and Israel, I am sure, have Mecca on their target list. If Moscow, New Delhi, or Tel Aviv were destroyed by an Islamic bomb, I believe that Mecca would be wiped off the planet Earth the same day, even the same hour.

And that would spell the end of Islam, after its unparalleled 1,400-year reign of terror.

No Mecca, no Islam, as long as the world witnesses Mecca’s physical annihilation. There will follow a period of madness, with many Muslims committing mass suicide and mass terror, but more of them will become atheists or convert to Christianity (“the stronger horse”). In all cases, Islam as we know it will be finished. After fourteen centuries, the steady mantra “Our God is greatest” cannot become “We used to believe that our God was the greatest, but it was proven to be weaker, if not a fraud.” The glass jaw of Islam, its inability to self-examine or reform in any way, will prove to be its Achilles’ heel. The 1,400-year run of murder and madness will at last come to an end. After sixty generations, we may be the one to witness its ultimate destruction and collapse.

God willing.


46 posted on 09/18/2012 1:08:27 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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