“Even as late as this year, the Pakistan government did little when we marched in and cancelled Osama Bin Laden’s ticket.”
But they jailed the doctor who aided us for 30 some odd years!
Sometimes, countering what you said, we should do something that is right and proper and to hell with the other tangential issues. Your approach is what’s gotten us where we are to day, paralyzed to take any definitive action for fear of some “unintended consequences.” These worthless pricks in Pakistan might respect us if we stood for something, and cut off their money and military aid. I don’t give a rats ass about either India or Pakistan, particularly when we are expending the precious blood of our young along with our borrowed treasure on their sh!thole corner of the world. I guess you are from the “we’re hiding under our desks wing” of the Republican Party like most of those in the Congress today.
Even as late as this year, the Pakistan government did little when we marched in and cancelled Osama Bin Laden’s ticket.
But they jailed the doctor who aided us for 30 some odd years!
And that's not good. On the other hand, fearless leader has probably not lifted a single finger to help that doctor out. In fact, I'd offer up the real possibility that Obama was so busy taking credit for things, that he forgot the good doctor would be at risk if he (or his lackeys) mentioned him in the process. Whose fault would that be? In truth it would still be the leadership of Pakistan. That doesn't reduce Obama's culpability.
Sometimes, countering what you said, we should do something that is right and proper and to hell with the other tangential issues.
Unfortunately some of those other tangential issues would very likely involve us negatively. Should we keep an air of comity between Pakistan and us in light of our having 65,000 troops next door, or should we cut off relations and expose our men to an even higher level of hostility? Pakistan has nukes. We can't just act as if they didn't and thumb our nose at them with our interests next door vulnerable. Yeah sure, I could jump on the band wagon and urge our leaders to break off relations with Pakistan. I just don't think that contributes to a perfect world for us either.
Then there's the fact that we do incur into Pakistan territory too. I don't think we'd look too favorably on Mexico's military coming fifty miles into the United States to operate unilaterally without permission?
Your approach is what’s gotten us where we are to day, paralyzed to take any definitive action for fear of some “unintended consequences.”
Okay. I can understand where you are coming from. Lets see what your desires would garner us.
Please explain to me the action you would like to see us take, perhaps one to three first steps. Then please explain what you think the Pakistan counter might be for each, and what you think we should conter with if they do. Give me three to five steps in the process of each action and counter action. I'd just like to see how you think we could successfully counter Pakistani intransigence, if our relations when that far south.
Perhaps you have thought this out clearly and have a much better idea than I do. I'm willing to listen.
These worthless pricks in Pakistan might respect us if we stood for something, and cut off their money and military aid.
Yes they might. And if Pakistan's military became unstable due to us cutting billions in aide, would that be an acceptable outcome? If the Taliban took control of nuclear facilities, would that have been a great way to show Pakistan who was boss?
I don’t give a rats ass about either India or Pakistan, particularly when we are expending the precious blood of our young along with our borrowed treasure on their sh!thole corner of the world.
Well, that's great to say, but then a destabilized nation that has nukes and a high level of Taliban presence that threatens them too, it's hard to make a big sale on the point that you have first taken the safety of our troops into consideration when you advocate for some of the things you do. For the record, Pakistan isn't high on my list of nations I want to have relations with. It being a nuclear nation, I am somewhat forced to think that less than optimal relations are better than no relations at all. I don't want a nuclear confrontation over there involving regional nations, or our troops. If the Taliban get access to those nukes, not only the region will be at risk. Everyone will be.
I guess you are from the “we’re hiding under our desks wing” of the Republican Party like most of those in the Congress today.
If that's what you want to think, you have my blessing. Go for it. Pakistan has a nuclear arsenal that is at risk. Among other concerns that I have concerning Pakistan, I believe a rational relationship with it's leadership would help facilitate a better outcome should it's nukes become so much at risk, that their compromise would be inevitable. I believe Pakistan's leadership would rather see us take control of those nukes than see them turned over to the Taliban, which is also their enemy.
Either way, we'll have a lot more access to intel, if we have an open dialog with Pakistan's leadership. Slamming that door shut, would mean that any compromise of their nuclear facilities would happen in a vacuum. That would be unconscionable. Surely you can't see that as a good outcome.