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Pastors pledge to defy IRS, preach politics from pulpit ahead of election
Fox News ^
| 09/20/2012
| Cristine Corbin
Posted on 09/20/2012 7:36:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
More than 1,000 pastors are planning to challenge the IRS next month by deliberately preaching politics ahead of the presidential election despite a federal ban on endorsements from the pulpit.
The defiant move, they hope, will prompt the IRS to enforce a 1954 tax code amendment that prohibits tax-exempt organizations, such as churches, from making political endorsements. Alliance Defending Freedom, which is holding the October summit, said it wants the IRS to press the matter so it can be decided in court. The group believes the law violates the First Amendment by muzzling preachers.
The purpose is to make sure that the pastor -- and not the IRS -- decides what is said from the pulpit, Erik Stanley, senior legal counsel for the group, told FoxNews.com. It is a head-on constitutional challenge. Stanley said pastors attending the Oct. 7 Pulpit Freedom Sunday will preach sermons that will talk about the candidates running for office and then make a specific recommendation. The sermons will be recorded and sent to the IRS.
Were hoping the IRS will respond by doing what they have threatened, he said. We have to wait for it to be applied to a particular church or pastor so that we can challenge it in court. We dont think its going to take long for a judge to strike this down as unconstitutional.
An amendment was made to the IRS tax code in 1954, stating that tax-exempt organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office.
Violation of this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise tax, in its online guide for churches and religious organizations seeking tax exemption.
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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: irs; pastors; politics
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To: SeekAndFind
I wonder how the IRS is going to enforce this law...
Are they going to send thousands of agents to swoop down on every single church and arrest the pastors and close the churches down?
This, I’d like to see...
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:37:33 AM PDT
by
SeekAndFind
(bOTRT)
To: SeekAndFind
If they were black Democrat pastors, then the IRS would not even be interested
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:38:28 AM PDT
by
GeronL
(The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
To: SeekAndFind
Finally, our pasters are getting active. This may even compel me to return to church.
They’ll need the practice anyway for the upcoming war with Islam.
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:39:11 AM PDT
by
Da Coyote
To: SeekAndFind
They never should have stopped.
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:39:28 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
To: SeekAndFind
Let me guess...they will be screaming racism if any of them lose their tax exemptions.
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:40:34 AM PDT
by
freeangel
( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
To: SeekAndFind
No they challenge them on their 501(c)3 tax exempt status....this could get ugly but as we know, God will win, not satan
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:41:03 AM PDT
by
yldstrk
(My heroes have always been cowboys)
To: SeekAndFind
Saul Alinsky tactic: Overwhelm The System.
RULE 4:
Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.
If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:44:53 AM PDT
by
Iron Munro
("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." - Ayn Rand)
To: SeekAndFind
There’s no need to preach politics.
Simply preach world views and their origins.
The Judeo-Christian world view is based in Gen. 1-12. Agree with those and you end up leaning to the right. God is God, life is valuable, man is prone to evil, and Israel is chosen.
The secular world view is a rejection of the first 12 chapters of Genesis. This leads to a leftward position. Life is not valuable, man is good, government is god, and Israel is nothing.
Politics is simply the open expression of a world view. In our generation, we are discussing whether indeed the God of Israel has spoken.
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:46:54 AM PDT
by
lurk
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:47:15 AM PDT
by
kitkat
To: SeekAndFind
If a pastor wants to be 100% free to say whatever he wants the church should renounce its tax exemption.
No one forces churches to maintain a tax exemption & they do so knowing full well what the restrictions are.
With the shekels come the shackles.
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:47:15 AM PDT
by
gdani
To: SeekAndFind
Depends. If the pastors are black and/or Liberal, they’ll get a pass. If not, the IRS will probably have their status yanked immediately and start seizing stuff.
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:53:01 AM PDT
by
Little Ray
(AGAINST Obama in the General.)
To: SeekAndFind
Black preachers are infamous for politicking from the pulpit and never lose tax-exemptions. So why not these guys do the same. They won’t mention the black preachers but they know.... .
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:53:41 AM PDT
by
dennisw
(Government be yo mamma - Re-elect Barack Obama)
To: SeekAndFind
The ghosts of the Revolutionary War Pastors is arising? Amen Brothers and Sisters. If not now, when?
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:53:57 AM PDT
by
no-to-illegals
(Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
LOL .. me hopes God is not mad at me. is should be are.
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:56:17 AM PDT
by
no-to-illegals
(Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
To: gdani
“If a pastor wants to be 100% free to say whatever he wants the church should renounce its tax exemption.”
I TOTALLY disagree. Churches & Christian organizations (schools, colleges & hospitals) should not accept government funding for it will then obligate them to government criteria.
However, this is a different matter. Religious organizations should NOT be taxed. Foregoing their tax exempt status would be fundamentally wrong.
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:56:54 AM PDT
by
ne1410s
("We will not tolerate your intolerance!!!" ...huh?)
To: cripplecreek
Welcome to The Black Robe Regiment
The Black Robe Regiment is a resource and networking entity where church leaders and laypeople can network and educate themselves as to our biblical responsibility to stand up for our Lord and Savior and to protect the freedoms and liberties granted to a moral people in the divinely inspired US Constitution. The Regiment had its historical beginnings during the Revolutionary War when Pastors from across the colonies arose and lead their congregations into the battle for freedom. Unlike today, the church during this time served as the center-point for political debate and discussion on the relevant news of the day. Today's church leaders have all but lost that concept of leading their congregations in a Godly manner in all aspects of their worldly existence and are afraid to speak out against the progressive agenda that has dominated our political system for the past century. Through this time the church and God himself has been under assault, marginalized, and diminished by the progressives and secularists. The false wall of separation of church and state has been constructed in such a manner that most are unaware of its limited boundaries. The church and the body of Christ has been attacked on all fronts and challenged by the progressive courts and groups such as the ACLU while we have sat idle in consent.
The time has come that we must now arise and awaken to the danger of this hyper-progressive agenda that so permeates every aspect of our political, legal, and educational systems. It is time now to educate ourselves and push back against the erosion of our freedoms and liberties and restore the constitutional authority back to all aspects of our governance. It will take the leaders of our churches to shepherd their flocks as did their predecessors during our first fight for liberty.
It is in this spirit that we have created this site. It is to serve as a resource and reference for church leaders and laypeople alike. It is to be a portal for Christians to communicate and network in order to restore the body of Christ to its rightful position of tolerant leadership in all aspects of our government.
"It was Sunday morning early in the year 1776. In the church where Pastor Muhlenberg preached, it was a regular service for his congregation, but a quite different affair for Muhlenberg himself. Muhlenberg's text for the day was Ecclesiastes 3 where it explains, 'To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under heaven; a time to be born, and a time to die, a time to plant, and a time to pluck what is planted...'"
"Coming to the end of his sermon, Peter Muhlenberg turned to his congregation and said, 'In the language of the holy writ, there was a time for all things, a time to preach and a time to pray, but those times have passed away.' As those assembled looked on, Pastor Muhlenberg declared, 'There is a time to fight, and that time is now coming!' Muhlenberg then proceeded to remove his robes revealing, to the shock of his congregation, a military uniform."
"Marching to the back of the church he declared, 'Who among you is with me?' On that day 300 men from his church stood up and joined Peter Muhlenberg. They eventually became the 8th Virginia Brigade fighting for liberty."
"Frederick Muhlenberg, Peter's brother, was against Peter's level of involvement in the war. Peter responded to Frederick writing, 'I am a Clergyman it is true, but I am a member of the Society as well as the poorest Layman, and my Liberty is as dear to me as any man, shall I then sit still and enjoy myself at Home when the best Blood of the Covenant is spilling? ...So far am I from thinking that I act wrong, I am convinced it is my duty to do so and duly I owe to God and my country."
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:56:57 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
To: Little Ray
and this will cause the journey to begin.
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:57:25 AM PDT
by
no-to-illegals
(Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
To: SeekAndFind
A much better way to solve this problem is to dispose of the 501c3 exemption. Now a days, the paperwork would be a lot less to simply be a business, and the liability would be far less. Since the Bush days, a church cannot give a check to a missionary to help support them unless they are a part of church staff and get their social security, workers comp payments and such paid. And if that missionary should say something like Allah is bad and some Muslim lawyer gets offended, he can now attach not only the church but all the church leadership properties as board members to the suit.
And heaven forbid, or at least IRS forbid that a Missionary in the African bush not get workers comp paid. He can't collect it, but they sure as heck will pay it.
Now, if the IRS should decree that a Church is in violation of its 501c3 the IRS can not only yank the 501c3, but confiscate all the properties of the Church because one of the New World Order “Justices” ruled that since the Church, built by the congregants was on lands that may have been paid for by the donations of the congregants under the 501c3, all properties belong now to the State.
The 501c3 is a State Chain on the necks of the Church, not just a gag order.
Now I am sure it is just a co-inky-dink that the State governments have been interpreting zoning laws lately to preclude free-assembly.
You want Church in the future, I might suggest setting up an underground one, because the days of freedom in religion in America has gone they way of most Constitutional ideas.
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posted on
09/20/2012 7:57:57 AM PDT
by
American in Israel
(A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
To: American in Israel
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posted on
09/20/2012 8:03:47 AM PDT
by
Chickensoup
(STOP The Great O-ppression)
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