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To: TigersEye

Perspective. It’s all about perspective. We have to keep our eyes on the ball, and not let the Marxist driven few dictate what Middle-Eastern policy will be.

I’m glad to see this. It’s been my take for over thirty years that the average Arab on the street would be perfectly comfortable with normalized relations with the West.

We MUST NOT deny them that access. For our own sake we must not.

I’ll bet folks would be shocked by a well balanced blind poll of West Bank and Gaza residents too.


2 posted on 09/21/2012 1:24:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Particularly in Libya. For all the evil things Gaddafi did he westernized Libya in major ways.


3 posted on 09/21/2012 1:25:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: DoughtyOne

Great post.
This is where a true Arab Spring would come from.


5 posted on 09/21/2012 1:27:42 PM PDT by Gamecock (We don't come to Christ to be born again; rather, we are born again in order to come to Christ. RCS)
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To: DoughtyOne; All
The 30,000 which showed their support today, I can assume are unarmed. This creates a problem of real proportions. The like minded, in the Arab world, and our like minded in D.C. have been arming as quickly as can those who are like minded, or so it would seem. People are dying, and escalation is probable. Am not defeated on this matter, instead will ask two questions.

Due to the lay of the field before us, and the armed factions increasing each day (being radical), along with the choice or not of choosing to arm those in those countries who support us and perhaps creating a true Arab Spring where those who support us are given their chance, does anyone think it can be achieved without arming people such as the 30,000? What do we do if the 30,000 are a ruse, we arm them, and they return the favor by handing their weapons over to the radicals. I truly don't know where I would turn if I had to make this decision.

10 posted on 09/21/2012 1:51:23 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Interesing news item in this thread from hotair and some detail from "The Daily Beast":

White House narrative on Libya all but collapsed

17 posted on 09/21/2012 2:14:56 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: DoughtyOne

“Perspective. It’s all about perspective.”

Your anaylsis is a good one and on target. I hired out as a freelance contractor during the Libyan civil war to an Israeli business company and was offered the Israeli view of the situation.

First, the militias involved in the consulate attack are not powerful. After the interim government was established, the council brought in Osama al-Juwali, the most respected militia leader in Libya who commanded the largest militia, and the government named him defense minister.

He organized the local militias and brought them into the new Libyan army.

It’s a fact that there are other militias who refused to lay down their arms. These are mostly small jihadist groups who want to establish a Muslim government.

After Kaddhafi fell, a pack of hothead jihadists started to cause trouble in Tripoli. These were mostly 16 to 17 year-old 30 IQ punks who were looking for free stuff. Think of them as equivalent to our big city street thugs who think like Obuma if he had sons. al-Juwali sent in the Libyan army to clear up that mess. He also sent out his army to beat back jihadists who tried to take over an airport near Tripoli.

From my perspective, I think we have a pro-western government in Libya that needs to be supported and nurtured. Our surveys in Tripoli of the citizenry, post-Kaddahfi, show that most people are pro-free enterprise in the classical and ancient Arabic sense. They want Tripoli to rival Dubai, the “Gold City.”

I’m out of the loop now, so my view only covers the immediate post-Kaddhafi situation.

Take care, FRiend.


24 posted on 09/21/2012 4:43:06 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: DoughtyOne
"perspective"

I tend to agree. Probably anywhere from 30 to 50% of Muslims in the mideast are sane, ordinary people who just want to get on with their lives. The problem is that the most violent, radical groups (Salafists, Muslim Brotherhood) usually control things in those countries and take the more moderate Muslims along with them. It's like Germany during Hitler's rule. A very large percentage of Germans probably either hated Hitler or just mouthed the words. But the Nazis took everyone down with them. Ditto for the Islamist radicals in the mideast. They're going to take all the moderates down with them.

27 posted on 09/21/2012 5:33:05 PM PDT by driftless2
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