Former San Diego Mayor Roger Hedgecock Calls Chris Matthews a Liar to His Face

NewsBusters.org ^ | September 22, 2012 | Noel Sheppard

[Kaslin]

Roger Hedgecock, the former San Diego mayor turned conservative talk radio host, called MSNBC's Chris Matthews a liar to his face Friday evening.

This resulted in quite a heated exchange between the two on HBO's Real Time (video follows with transcript and commentary):

Former San Diego Mayor Calls Chris Matthews a Liar to His Face

CHRIS MATTHEWS: The big lie is that the people who make a lot of money were the only ones who worked hard. You go to D.C. – I say this a million times, I’m going to keep saying it to the people out there with a little racial problem - I say, “Look, go to D.C. at 6:30 in the morning and drive around the tough neighborhoods. Everybody is waiting in line to go to the bus." You know where they’re going? They’re not going to get a welfare check. They're going to work. They’re going to work at 6:30 in the morning. It’s packed with people filling the buses going to work. And the idea that somehow the people that don't have a lot of money are lazy, where do you get that from? There’s a lot of people like your crowd that inherited everything. They were born sliding into home, and they take credit for it. You know that Romney gets away with this stuff all the time.

HEDGECOCK: Chris, Chris, calm down, man. You're just, you’re lying. I mean, come on.

MATTHEWS: It’s tonal.

HEDGECOCK: You guys and all this slander.

MATTHEWS: No, because I think there's a gentleman's agreement out there about covering up this racial game that your side has been playing this whole campaign about welfare…

HEDGECOCK: Oh, we're racist and we’re…

MATTHEWS: No, the advertising campaign is.

HEDGECOCK: You're just outrageously wrong, okay?

MATTHEWS: Why do you run the ads then? Why do you talk about welfare? Why does Newt talks about a food stamp president? Why do you keep going back to this old stuff again, this old dog-whistle stuff? Why do you keep doing it?

HEDGECOCK: The concern we have is just what Rana said. There has to be more social mobility. I come from a very poor background. I worked my way up and a lot of people have and were proud of it, and we don't want to see that taken away by government and handed out to programs that create more dependency, because food stamps are 72 percent more than when he took office.

Listen to Matthews’ pathetic response:

MATTHEWS: Barack Obama is a poster child for what America stands for. He starts from a mixed family, he grows up, his father splits, he makes it, he goes to the best schools, becomes head of the Harvard Law Review, doesn’t go out and money grab, does everything right, cleanest record in the world, and you guys have a problem with this guy.

BILL MAHER: Wait, you said what a lot of Republicans say…

MATTHEWS: You know something? You don't like Obama.

HEDGECOCK: I don't like his policies.

MATTHEWS: No, you don’t like Obama.

HEDGECOCK: No, no, no, no, you're outrageously wrong.

MATTHEWS: Mitch McConnell was against him the first day he was in office.

HEDGECOCK: That’s wrong, it’s just wrong.

MATTHEWS: He said, “My number one goal is to get rid of this guy.”

Now watch something extraordinary as host Bill Maher - yeah, I said Bill Maher - plays the voice of reason:

MAHER: That's fake. You know what?

MATTHEWS: Fake? He's repeated it.

MAHER: I didn't want to get rid of Bush the first day?

MATTHEWS: Not from the first day, no matter what he did. No deals. No honeymoon. Nothing. Get rid of the bum.

MAHER: Yes because I knew he was a nincompoop from day one.

For a change, Maher was right - not about Bush being a nincompoop but with regard to the left's decision from day one to want to get the 43rd president out of office.

This is how politics works, and people like Matthews conveniently forget it the second a Democrat wins the White House.

As an aside, this exchange took place about ten minutes after Matthews falsely claimed "unemployment was well past ten percent" when Bush left office.

Talk about your delicious instant karma.

[Wings-n-Wind]

[G Larry]

Chris, Just because you’re losing the debate doesn’t mean we’re “racist”.

Just which of Obama’s policies do you think I’d support if he were white?

[SunkenCiv]

I wouldn’t know about this except for FR, because I don’t take satellite or cable TV — it just enriches jackholes like PC Maher and Pissy Matthews. Thanks Kaslin.

[smokingfrog]

If you’re going to go on national TV and mix it up with these 0bama apologists, you can’t mince words. They lie with impunity.

[M Kehoe]

Note to Chris Matthews: I don't care if 0bama is white, I don't care if he is black. I do care that 0bama is a marxist.

5.56mm

[Cinnamontea]

Hedgecock made a major mistake, and it's one conservatives make all the time: He was on defensive the entire time.

William F. Buckley said it a long time ago. If some says to you, "Are you a racist?" You immediately reply, "No, are you?" and then you take it to them, and that does not mean defending yourself against insane charges, that means going on offense.

[RandallFlagg]

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[Astronaut]

Nice to see someone from our side calling out the scum in the left wing media. Matthews and all of his left wing buddies are lying, traitorous sons of bitches that do everything they can to prop up Dear Leader. When our side wins the coming Civil War II, the left wing media needs to be put on trial for treason and dealt with accordingly.

[SunkenCiv]

At least the partisan media shill and flamer comes out of the closet on his party affiliation:

MATTHEWS: No, because I think there's a gentleman's agreement out there about covering up this racial game that your side has been playing this whole campaign about welfare...

Yeah, agreement to cover up, *and* a racial game about welfare, what a pair of ridiculous lies from a ridiculous liar.

[SunkenCiv]

At least the partisan media shill and flamer comes out of the closet on his party affiliation:

MATTHEWS: No, because I think there's a gentleman's agreement out there about covering up this racial game that your side has been playing this whole campaign about welfare...

Yeah, agreement to cover up, *and* a racial game about welfare, what a pair of ridiculous lies from a ridiculous liar.

[SunkenCiv]

The fact is, Chrissy went ad hominem immediately, because that’s most of what he’s about.

If the Demwits (or their useful idiots) ever get around to starting the next civil war, I’m looking forward to seeing that demagogue’s head on a pole.

[Political Junkie Too]

MAHER: I didn't want to get rid of Bush the first day?

MATTHEWS: Not from the first day, no matter what he did. No deals. No honeymoon. Nothing. Get rid of the bum.

Matthews is so wrong on this.

They wanted Bush out BEFORE the first day!

Doesn't Matthews remember that Bill Clinton held up Bush's transition funds for as long as possible while Al Gore unprecedentedly challenged the election in the courts?

Doesn't Matthews remember how Democrats in the Senate were dragging their feet on holding confirmation hearings for Bush's second and third tier department heads for months and months, until 9/11 happened eight months into Bush's presidency?

-PJ

[Fightin Whitey]

And accordingly Chrissie Matthews is a huge fan and supporter of Clarence Thomas and Allen West, wouldn’t that be right?

I agree with Cinnamon that smart guys like Hedgecock have to go into these situations ON THE ATTACK and hit punks like Matthews where it hurts. Ask him about the American hero Allen West, ask him about Justice Thomas-—what can Matthews do but claim that he doesn’t view them as “real” black men?

When you are a conservative being rescued by Bill Maher, you know you’ve misread something about the situation.

[Paine in the Neck]

MATTHEWS: You know something? You don't like Obama.

HEDGECOCK: I don't like his policies.

MATTHEWS: No, you don’t like Obama.

HEDGECOCK: No, no, no, no, you're outrageously wrong. [Hedgecock blew it here. The correct response should have been 'So what?']

[austingirl]

Why do conservatives even bother to go on the shows? They aren’t allowed to speak without being interrupted or talked over by the useful idiots.

[jerod]

Relax,,, There is absolutely nobody watching him or his show. His total viewership wouldn’t amount to the population of a small town in Alaska and the only time anybody even knows that there is a show called ‘Hardball’ is when somebody is laughing at, or ridiculing Chris Matthews and a blurb appears on the Drudge Report.

Other than that, you wouldn’t know that the guy or his lame program are still on TV.

[Karliner]

Thank God I blew up my TV last year.

[workerbee]

Wish it had gone like this:

MATTHEWS: You know something? You don't like Obama.

HEDGECOCK: That's right, because I don't like his socialist policies.

MATTHEWS: No, you don’t like Obama.

HEDGECOCK: Weren't you listening? I just said that.

MATTHEWS: Mitch McConnell was against him the first day he was in office.

HEDGECOCK: If he dislikes socialist policies, I hope he did.

[workerbee]

Exactly. If they’re going on any of these State Run Media programs, they need to be better prepared for the tedious accusations. For example, Matthews accusing Hedgecock of disliking Dear Leader. Hedgecock should’ve countered with “You didn’t like Bush. Is it a criminal offense to dislike a president?”

[papertyger]

Chris, Chris, calm down, man. You're just, you’re lying. I mean, come on.

Call him a liar to his face?

Hardly....

[skeeter]

If Obama and I met on the street as two average citizens I would despise him.

Because he's a smooth talking, arrogant, self righteous, whiny, and indolent rabble rouser.

[papertyger]

Why do conservatives even bother to go on the shows?

I often wonder if such "conservatives" are just stage personalities. If you've ever seen a straight interview with Chris Rock or Jerry Seinfeld, the dichotomy of the monotone dullard being interviewed and the dynamic stage presence of their stand-up performance is very disconcerting.

Likewise, when I see a person of supposed conservative convictions recoiling from a liberal assault, I have to wonder if those conviction go any further than a script or TelePrompTer.

[driftless2]

The simple bald-faced fact is that the great majority of takers in the U.S. support or vote for the Democrat Party. That’s inescapable. The takers/thieves want the Dems to steal money from the producers and give it to them. The Dems are actually starting more and more to admit as such as Obama plainly and honestly ( a rare occasion for Obama) told Joe the Plumber that he would like to redistribute i.e. steal money from the “wealthy” and give to the “poor and oppressed” i.e. takers.

[Hugin]

Or, “I don’t like Obama because he hates America. That’s why he said he wants to fundamentally transform it into something else, and he uses anti-American code words like calling himself a “citizen of the world”.

[pallis]

Yes Chrissy, I wanted to get rid of Obama before he was elected, and the election didn’t change that. I don’t care for his politics or policies, and I despise him as a man. He is a fraud. He would be a fraud in any color, but since he is milk chocolate brown, my wanting to get rid of him makes me a racist. Though I am color blind, I am on the wrong side of PC and the identity politics of the aggrieved. Liberal outrage needs an enemy, even if the enemy has to be made up.

Guys like Chrissy hate it that conservatives don’t give a crap about color, and they will construe any lie and straw man argument to say we do, because their narrative sucks without that. So, Chrissy, admit that you are an alcoholic and drug addict, and that you have racist thoughts and bigotries that you are ashamed of. Admit that they are so strong you have to radicalize your political correctness to balance them out. Wash away the guilt. Yes little Chrissy, admit that you chuckled to yourself when you discovered that Governor Bill Clinton frequently used the word ni??@r, and yet he rose above it to become our first black president. That is the liberation of liberalism, and you want it.

[MarDav]

“If you’re going to go on national TV and mix it up with these 0bama apologists, you can’t mince words.”

Look, if you’re going to go on national TV and mix it up with the Obama apologists you can’t come up for air. Guys like Matthews, Colmes, Beckel, Carville, et al. “win” arguments (get applause from die-hard Obamabots) because they are able to breathe out whole chapters of personal attacks without taking a breath. Most words, most cutting remarks, most character assassination attempts = victory for these guys. They are not interested in debate. They are interested in ginning up the mob.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

Chris Matthews is beneath whatever the lowest thing is.

It’s impossible to speak to him, so it’s best to leave him alone, talking to himself, or his fellow travellers.

[Rome2000]

I've come to like Maher because he is intellectually honest about his leftist philosophy and convictions and tries to express them through humor and outrage.

Nothing stopping a humorist from the right in putting on a similar type of program and making outrageous statements about the American left.

Be great hearing somebody call the likes of Waters or Relosi demented communist c*nts or Barney Frank a degenerate lisping fag and Joe Bidens limo a short bus.

Instead we've got the likes of Bill O'Reilly and wonder why the right is losing the propaganda war.

[ExCTCitizen]

Chrissy is a LIAR... he lies about being a HUMAN...

[mrsmel]

Maher is despicable. He has used despicable language about conservative women, and no conservative would ever get a pass from the media for using that kind of language about leftist womyn. I agree that O’Reilly is a joke and an opportunist, but Maher gets NO respect from me. If a man called my mother the “c” word, I wouldn’t respect him for his “intellectual honesty”, I’d knock his block off with a baseball bat.

[x]

Can we get them all to take a cruise together in a leaky boat?

[Tuanedge]

Like to be in on an action team dressed in sunglasses and Palestinian keffiyehs throwing Chrissy into a cargo van...

...so goes the movie script I’m contemplating writing...uh huh yep yep yep ;^)

[lentulusgracchus]

Doesn't Matthews remember how Democrats in the Senate were dragging their feet on holding confirmation hearings for Bush's second and third tier department heads for months and months, until 9/11 happened eight months into Bush's presidency?

That's what Sen. Jeffords enabled when he crossed the aisle and rallied to his Mephistophilis, Tom Daschle, who became Senate Majority Leader by Jeffords's political betrayal. Jeffords gave the 'Rats the Senate until the 2002 elections.

[nicmarlo]

Note to Chris Matthews: I don't care if 0bama is white, I don't care if he is black. I do care that 0bama is a marxist.

Additional Note to Chris Matthews:

RACIST?
I would support:
Allen West, Mia Love,
Condoleezza Rice,
Tim Scott & Herman Cain
for office before
ANY WHITE LIBERAL
If you don't support them,
then what does that make you?

[timestax]