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Tesla shares drop after cutting outlook [amends loan agreement with U.S.Energy Dept]
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | September 25, 2012 | Mark Clothier

Posted on 09/26/2012 8:39:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Tesla Motors Inc., the electric-car maker led by Elon Musk, fell the most in two months after cutting its revenue outlook for the third quarter because of supplier shortcomings and other delays in the production of its Model S sedan.

Tesla slid nearly 10 percent to $27.64 Tuesday after the company said in a regulatory filing that it expects to generate $44 million to $46 million in third-quarter sales, compared with analyst estimates of $83.1 million.

..........Already the company's largest shareholder, Musk may buy 33,311 more shares, the company said in the filing. Tesla, whose investors include Toyota Motor Corp. and Daimler AG, said it now expects to exceed its plan to produce 20,000 of the electric cars next year, when it projected it would earn its first profit.

The company amended its loan agreement with the U.S. Energy Department and may need to do so again if it fails to raise enough money from investors. Tesla plans to begin repaying its Energy Department loans in the fourth quarter.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: electriccar; elonmusk; green; pritzker; tesla
Tesla Motor electric cars

Solar City solar panels

Space X rocket

May 29, 2012 (Ricochet) Elon Musk Shows Us How to Thrive in the Government-Directed Economy ...."Those who know how to navigate an economy driven by the state will succeed. They do so regardless whether the market has determined their product as the best or not—sometimes it has, sometimes it hasn’t. Sometimes the consumer has no real ability, thanks to the aforementioned mix of laws and regulations, to go in another direction. Sometimes the only consumer is the government, meaning the appropriators, bureaucrats, and administrators who dream fondly of working some day for the contractor titans they fuel with other people’s money.".....

Sept 18, 2012 - Elon Musk SpaceX Head Obama Bundler?

April 15, 2012 (National Legal and Policy Center) Taxpayers Subsidize Forbes 'Green' Billionaires' Schemes........Musk, best known as co-founder of the company that became PayPal, is Chairman of SolarCity and CEO of Tesla. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, SolarCity spent $535,000 in 2009 and 2010 to lobby Congress and the Department of Energy on climate legislation, the Recovery Act, “green workforce training and development,” and provisions in various legislation “relevant to solar development.” SolarCity has sought to extend a program, due to expire at the end of 2012, that delivers to manufacturers an upfront cash grant in lieu of a 30 percent Investment Tax Credit (called the Section 1603 grant program). So far, according to DOE reports, SolarCity has received more than $66 million from that program.

The company also won a partial guarantee from DOE of a $344 million loan that will place up to 160,000 rooftop solar installations on military housing across the country..........."

1 posted on 09/26/2012 8:39:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All

http://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2011/10/20/donors-bundlers-and-obama-allies-secure-1-billion-in-loans-export-jobs-to-finland/

Tesla has even more questionable connections:

Tesla brings political pull, as well. A former Tesla board member, Steve Westly, is an Obama bundler who raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for the president in 2008 and for his 2012 re-election campaign. His Westly Group was also a financial supporter of Tesla Motors until Tesla went public in 2010, and Westly continues to back the company.

Tesla’s founder and CEO, Elon Musk, is a hearty political contributor who has primarily backed Democrats, including Obama. According to published reports, another Tesla investor is Nick Pritzker, a donor to Obama and a cousin of Penny Pritzker, the national finance chair of Obama’s 2008 campaign.


2 posted on 09/26/2012 8:43:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks for posting this, which is of obscure interest to most freepers. It’s more important than you realize. If you get anything else, would you ping me?


3 posted on 09/26/2012 8:53:37 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Penny Pritzker? Hillbuzz.org is making the case that she is the one who is buying the Obama family a 35M$ house in Hawaii.


4 posted on 09/26/2012 8:55:04 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Does anyone know how many they’ve made so far?


5 posted on 09/26/2012 8:58:11 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why is the department of energy lending money to a car company? I understand it is an electric car company... but still. Picking winners and losers (and doing a bad job of it) is NOT the job of the government.


6 posted on 09/26/2012 8:59:17 AM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/us/politics/penny-pritzker-had-big-role-in-obama-08-but-is-backstage-in-12.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www


7 posted on 09/26/2012 8:59:33 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Yes.

And Elon Musk co-hosted an inaugural bash for Obama with A. Huffington.

And the money goes round and round.

Pritzker...

Westly....

etc.

etc.


8 posted on 09/26/2012 9:02:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Another Obama Money Pit.

His instincts are consistent if nothing else.


9 posted on 09/26/2012 9:03:55 AM PDT by Iron Munro (US Embassies Come and Go But An Obama Apology Lasts Forever)
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To: Lx

They’ve made about 350 so far. Production is running at 77 vehicles/week right now, and they should hit their target of 400/week sometime early next year.

Note that they did just start production this summer, and in mid-August production was under 20 per week.


10 posted on 09/26/2012 9:09:18 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Iron Munro

The sick thing is that people have “fallen” for the line that Obama promotes commercial space, when in fact he’s killing our U.S. manned space program - (de-developing America) with this slight of hand to support (sponsor, subsidize) companies with tax money drained from our national program. As the U.S. budget keeps shrinking (and no market materializes for the no-nothing “improvement” of private rocket companies) Americans will be left w/o our national space program infrastructure and our technical/engineering workers scattered to the wind.


11 posted on 09/26/2012 9:14:45 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

A company called “Tesla” should be developing anti-gravity technology, generators that extract electricity from atmospheric static and the magnetosphere, particle beam weapons for the DOD, and beyond speed of light warp drives. Re-inventing automobile technology that was around in the late 19th Century just doesn’t seem to cut it.


12 posted on 09/26/2012 9:19:17 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: green iguana

They must be smoking crack to think they can produce 20,000 cars next year.

They couldn’t even design a reliable 2 speed transmission.


13 posted on 09/26/2012 9:19:26 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: TheBattman

We’re seeing the pealing of the green scam onion - the Dept of Energy loaning tax money for unsustainable new technologies.

On September 1, 2011, Solyndra ceased all business activity, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, and laid off all employees.

________________________

October 4, 2011 - “Despite reports to the contrary, Tesla Motors won’t ask the U.S. Department of Energy for an additional Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing (ATVM) loan, according to the automaker’s chief executive officer.

Palo Alto-based Tesla has “significant” capital reserves and more than enough funds to develop its Model S sedan, CEO Elon Musk told reporters in Washington last Thursday. Apparently, Tesla’s initial $465-million DoE loan is all the government money that’s needed for now. Quoting Musk:

We don’t need any additional DOE funding. We will not be applying for any.

For the record, Tesla admits it had been in the loan pre-application process, but did not submit a formal application to the DoE. Ricardo Reyes, Tesla’s vice-president of communications, stated, “Tesla has no completed loan applications pending before the DoE.” And now, with Musk’s words, it seems no application will move from pre to pending status.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2795936/posts


14 posted on 09/26/2012 9:25:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Lx

If their suppliers can get their acts together, they’ll make 400/wk sometime in the first quarter.

They know they can’t screw up. It would be tough for the company to survive a recall, so they’re ramping slower than original plan. They do claim to be on pace for over 2500 deliveries in the fourth quarter, which is an average of about 200/wk production.

I don’t think they’ll have any problem making 20,000 next year. At least not a production problem. If they have a problem, it’ll be financing. They have about 16,000 orders right now, and have gotten 2600 new ones so far this quarter. I just don’t know how many customers there are out there for this $60-$100,000 vehicle.

Personally, I think they’ll hit a wall, similarly to the Volt. Tho’ who knows? The car is gorgeous, and can kick a BMW all over the road.


15 posted on 09/26/2012 9:45:08 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Lx
If I won Powerball, I'd blow 60K on the basic model, just for the hell of it. My wife really likes the big panel display in the center console.

There are a lot of negatives with the car as it stands today, but as a rich guy's play thing, it might be interesting...

CA....

16 posted on 09/26/2012 9:47:30 AM PDT by Chances Are (Seems I've found that silly grin again....)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The sick thing is that people have “fallen” for the line that Obama promotes commercial space, when in fact he’s killing our U.S. manned space program

It boggles the mind, doesn't it?

I always knew there were a lot of foolish and dumb people in America but the democrats have elevated stupidity from a developmental flaw to a religion.


17 posted on 09/26/2012 9:58:11 AM PDT by Iron Munro (US Embassies Come and Go But An Obama Apology Lasts Forever)
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To: Iron Munro

Some sanity and reality about the realization of a “not ready for prime time” business outlook with investors and market:

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Sept 17, 2012 - “Boeing may yet shelve future development of its CST-100 capsule, despite a recent award of more than $460 million from NASA’s programme to transport astronauts to the International Space Station (ISS).

“Our base business case is based on transportation to ISS through 2020,” says John Elbon, Boeing’s vice-president of space exploration. Though not formalised, the company requires at least two flights per year from NASA to make the project viable.

“That’s just for the ISS. That’s kind of the basement,” adds Elbon. More flights than those to the ISS are required he says, and Boeing is cautious about over-committing itself while future revenue streams are unclear.

NASA has funding for two full awards and one partial award in the commercial crew integrated capability (CCiCap) programme, to be doled out gradually according to established technical milestones. The two full grants were awarded to Boeing and SpaceX, while Sierra Nevada Corporation won the partial award.

Attached to each space act agreement, as the contracts are known, is an extensive list of optional milestones that takes the companies into flight testing.

While Boeing stands to gain at least $460 million by completing all 19 milestones during the 21-month base period, which would bring the CST-100 through the critical design review stage, an undisclosed, but significant, amount of additional funding may be gained through accomplishing 33 optional milestones.

But the base-period investment alone may not be enough for Boeing to justify continued funding, which may bring CST-100 development to an end.

While the cut-off point “wouldn’t be at the end of this base period”, says Elbon, it may be in the following option period.

“It’s more important to have a definite market there. Obviously Boeing has significant resources, and if there’s a business caseit’s important that it’s clear NASA is committed to the commercial crew programme going forward, that they’re going to use it for flights to the ISS, and that we can grow some markets around that.”

Boeing is working closely with space station manufacturer Bigelow Aerospace and orbital tourism company Space Adventures in an attempt to secure non-NASA revenue. While Bigelow and Space Adventures have racked up tangible success, neither has yet demonstrated a requirement for regular passenger trips into orbit.

The CCiCap contenders’ business cases were among the criteria by which NASA evaluated their proposals. In a NASA justification document released after the selection announcement, Boeing’s business case was described in “neutral” terms. It says: “Proposed corporate investment during the CCiCap period does not provide significant industry financial investment and there is an increased risk of having insufficient funding in the base period.”

Boeing programme manager John Mulholland said it was difficult to compare the contributions made by companies. He said: “We are only counting things that are direct monetary contributions as an investment, we have a very conservative guideline that we use for what we call true investment. There is a lot of additional contributions we are making to the programme beyond that cash infusion.” [end]

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/flight-not-guaranteed-for-boeings-commercial-crew-capsule-376515/


18 posted on 09/26/2012 10:08:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Iron Munro

Tesla has the same problems as the other electric vehicles that are not selling according to company projections. Range, price and length of time and number of places to charge up the batteries. I saw a Model S on the road a few days ago. It is a nice looking vehicle but not for the average joe’s pocketbook. It looks like sales to the FEELING GOOD SAVE THE EARTH CROWD have started to peter out and they are experiencing the struggles of trying to sell to the average joe.


19 posted on 09/26/2012 10:15:26 AM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Tesla will make Solyndra look like your kid’s lemonade stand going broke.


20 posted on 09/26/2012 10:38:59 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Iron Munro

Not instinct. Payback.


21 posted on 09/26/2012 10:39:40 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: green iguana

If stuff goes through the crapper again, you can’t guarantee they won’t raise the car price on you AFTER the fact, like they did before.


22 posted on 09/26/2012 10:41:49 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Chances Are

Would you risk parking it in your garage overnight, charging?


23 posted on 09/26/2012 10:43:09 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: spawn44

I think the harassment of supposed save the earth people, who have yet to walk the walk, must now begin. Hoist them on their own eco-pitards.


24 posted on 09/26/2012 10:45:09 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: green iguana

Have the fixed the problem where if the battery fully discharges, the car becomes a worthless brick?


25 posted on 09/26/2012 10:52:34 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Yes, that one’s fixed. Not the most elegant fix tho’... the controlling software will now shut down the car if the battery charge falls too low. So you have a useless brick until you can get it charged up. It does give a warning prior to shutdown to give you time to hopefully get to a place where you can charge it.


26 posted on 09/26/2012 11:01:15 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Tesla plans to begin repaying its Energy Department loans in the fourth quarter.”

Right.

And I expect to nab the next Noble prize in physics.


27 posted on 09/26/2012 11:04:13 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: green iguana

Thanks. That would seem prudent. :)

But, as you indicate, it doesn’t really fix the problem. It will make it less likely, but it still can happen.

thanks for the info.


28 posted on 09/26/2012 11:04:30 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Reader’s Digest version of story:

Tesla Motors, Inc., maker of the world’s most expensive golf carts, lost 10% of its value yesterday when it missed its revenue projections by 50%. Nonetheless, there’s still plenty of money left from the original taxpayer loan from the Department of Energy to make additional contributions to Obama’s re-election campaign. In other news, the sun rose this morning over the Atlantic coast.


29 posted on 09/26/2012 11:09:21 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: spawn44
Tesla has the same problems as the other electric vehicles that are not selling according to company projections. Range, price and length of time and number of places to charge up the batteries.

Imagine the caterwauling when the purchasers of the VOLT, Leaf, Prius, Honda EV, etc. go to trade them in when the batteries are going bad and out of warranty.

They will probably have to pay the dealers to take them.

That will be the true test of their "Greenie" credentials.


30 posted on 09/26/2012 12:04:25 PM PDT by Iron Munro (US Embassies Come and Go But An Obama Apology Lasts Forever)
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To: D-fendr
"Have they fixed the problem where if the battery fully discharges, the car becomes a worthless brick?"

No, it starts out as a worthless brick. The battery problem is just frosting on the brick.

31 posted on 09/26/2012 12:46:17 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: green iguana

Hmmm, isn’t that a known issue with lithium batteries, though? If they discharge all the way, they’re worthless. Cell phone chargers have circuitry to prevent this already, AFAIK.


32 posted on 09/26/2012 2:08:08 PM PDT by redtetrahedron ("Before I formed thee in the bowels of thy mother, I knew thee" - Jer 1:5)
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To: norwaypinesavage; All

“....Tesla built the Supercharger network, which can take a Model S from flat to full in an hour, in secret at six locations in California. Those solar carports, which look a little like regular filling stations, will be switched on next month and the car company is planning more in “high traffic corridors” across the US and in Europe and Asia in the second half of next year.

But even for Model S owners, the network comes with a catch. The rapid charging from the carport will take its toll on the lithium-ion batteries in the vehicles, so the Supercharger is only for occasional use....”

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/26/tesla_supercharger_network/


33 posted on 09/26/2012 3:01:19 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Chances Are
If they can find 20,000 rich guys who need a new plaything, then more power to them. The sucking of hundreds of millions of dollars off the taxpayer is the real crime here.
34 posted on 09/26/2012 6:10:45 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Is Tesla located in Pelosi’s district in NorCal?


35 posted on 09/26/2012 6:13:05 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: Lx

I don’t know, but my buddies daughter just put down a 5 grand deposit on a Tesla SUV that isn’t even coming out until 2014.

PT Barnum continues to be right.....


36 posted on 09/26/2012 6:15:28 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: nascarnation
Their corporate headquarters are in Palo Alto, CA, which is in the 14 District and represented by Democrat Anna Eshoo. She and Pelosi do collude on energy (etc)

"...Energy

In 2005, Eshoo worked with Nancy Pelosi to develop the Democratic Innovation Agenda, which calls for America to achieve independence from Middle East oil over the next ten years. She has led efforts to raise fuel standards for automakers, and pursued reliance on alternative energy sources both in California and nationally. Legislation includes:

* H.R. 6, Creating Long-Term Energy Alternatives for the Nation (CLEAN) Energy Act, co-sponsor - Repeals $14 billion in subsidies to the gas and oil industries, and commits that money to renewable resources.

* H.R. 1506, Fuel Economy Reform Act, co-sponsor - Raises fuel economy standards, with a target goal of 35 miles per gallon by 2018.

* H.R. 1590, Safe Climate Act, co-sponsor - An emissions reduction bill which includes a provision calling for 20% of all electricity generated in the United States to come from renewable resources by 2008.

* H.R. 550, Securing America's Energy Independence Act, co-sponsor - Extends tax credits for homeowners and business using solar energy.

* S. 2598, Strategic Petroleum Reserve Fill Suspension and Consumer Protection Act - Temporarily suspends filling of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, in order to lower the cost of petroleum to consumers.

* H.R. 6074, Gas Price Relief for Consumers Act - Authorizes lawsuits against oil cartel members for price fixing.

* H.R. 1742, A bill to establish a program to deploy and integrate plug-in electric drive vehicles in multiple regions, which was ultimately incorporated into the body of H.R. 2454, the American Clean Energy and Security Act, which was the primary energy bill for 2009.

Click here to download a copy of Eshoo's floor statement on H.R. 3321, the New Direction for Energy Independence Act."...Source

37 posted on 09/27/2012 1:16:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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“SpaceX’s Falcon-9 Dragon successfully lifts off to resupply ISS” [One of 9 Engines “shuts down”]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2941716/posts


38 posted on 10/08/2012 4:03:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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