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Bill Frist Goes Liberal
Citizens Council on Health Freedom ^ | 9-26-12 | twila brase

Posted on 09/26/2012 2:24:03 PM PDT by TurboZamboni

Current GOP members of Congress are not impressed. A week ago, former U.S. Senator and former Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) told POLITICO, "I am supportive of exchanges and 'Obamacare' generally." In a commentary in The Week, he asserts, "As a doctor, I strongly believe that people without health insurance die sooner...State exchanges are the solution. They represent the federalist ideal of states as 'laboratories for democracy.'...I love the diversity and the innovation."

Frist is talking the talk of the Left. Lack of insurance kills no one. And like many of his former colleagues, Frist must not have read the Obamacare law although it's been available for two years. All state-run Exchanges must follow this federal law and nearly 13,000 pages of federal regulations (so far). There's no democracy, no diversity, no independent state laboratory. And it certainly isn't "federalist," unless he defines that word as federal control. Wouldn't you like to know who's lining his pockets? It could be the single-payer advocate, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. He, along with Obama's former budget director Peter Orzag, just became new trustees of the RWJF Board of Directors.

(Excerpt) Read more at healthenews.cchfreedom.org ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: billfrist; exchanges; freedom; frist; insurance; left; mandate; obamacare; tn

1 posted on 09/26/2012 2:24:11 PM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

And you are surprised why?
We are seeing before our eyes, the firming up of obamacare, I do not beleive it will ever be de-funded or stopped.


2 posted on 09/26/2012 2:27:06 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: TurboZamboni
As a doctor, I strongly believe that people without health insurance die sooner.

We have 60 million on Medicaid and Obamacare will add 18 million more. Frist is confusing having insurance and access to medical services. 40% of doctors don't accept Medicaid patients. And we also have 12 to 20 million illegal aliens in this country. How does Frist plan to cover them?

3 posted on 09/26/2012 2:28:16 PM PDT by kabar
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To: TurboZamboni
"going" Liberal?
4 posted on 09/26/2012 2:32:32 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Didn’t that happen about 10+ years ago?


5 posted on 09/26/2012 2:34:20 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: kabar

He ought to know that government funding is the reason why
costs have risen so drastically. Government is never as cost sensitive as the average consumer, and vendors take full advantage.


6 posted on 09/26/2012 2:37:24 PM PDT by RitchieAprile (my French needs no pardoning..)
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To: kabar

Did anybody ask the Doctor how he will like going broke after Obamacare loads himm up with thousands of more patient and pays him whatever they feel like paying him?

How did this feces for brains ever get through medical school.


7 posted on 09/26/2012 2:39:10 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: TurboZamboni

Pretty sure I read a while back Frist stood to make a lot of money off Obamacare somehow.


8 posted on 09/26/2012 2:39:14 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: TurboZamboni
HillBuzz has made allegations Dr.Frist may know President Obama in an "intimate way." Other pubbies that may know O more intimately were Trent Lott and Charlie Crist according to HillBuzz. The Crist thing makes sense after the DNC spectacle.
9 posted on 09/26/2012 2:40:08 PM PDT by CreviceTool ( Obama is standing above the country above - above the world, he is sort of a God = Evan Thomas)
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To: kabar

as long as American die first, there will be plenty of $ left for the illegals.


10 posted on 09/26/2012 2:41:05 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni
As a doctor, I strongly believe that people without health insurance die sooner..

So, Mister (yes, "mister", and it should be taken as an insult) Frist concludes that confiscating EVERYONE'S health insurance (the only possible end stage of obamacare) will be an improvement.

MISTER Frist, you are a fool of the highest order.

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11 posted on 09/26/2012 2:41:36 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: TurboZamboni

01/18/11 11:23 AM ET

Former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who caused a stir during the construction of health care reform when he said he’d vote for the bill, said it was important to consider the bill the “law of the land” and move on from there.

As The Washington Examiner’s lobbying editor Tim Carney notes, Frist “is invested, literally, in the law.” He has made a fortune as a result of stock ownership from the family-founded Hospital Corporation of America, the for-profit hospital chain.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/18/bill-frist-health-care-repeal-gop_n_810345.html


12 posted on 09/26/2012 2:41:49 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: kabar

Not only that, cancer patients in the U.S. have a higher much higher survivor rate than similar patients in the U.K. It’s not much good getting “free” medical care when you have to wait so long to get treated for a serious problem.


13 posted on 09/26/2012 2:42:13 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: TurboZamboni
Bill Frist Goes Remains Liberal.

Fixed.

14 posted on 09/26/2012 2:45:46 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: TurboZamboni

Frist is on the list of most disappointing politicians of the right. He was so good until he got the leadership position, and just fell apart. Major beltway-itis.

This statement shows he has absolutely no idea what is in Obamacare. To state it is some sort of state-based program is pure ignorance, or willful lying. One of the two.


15 posted on 09/26/2012 2:54:03 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: JediJones

Follow the money. Frist’s old man, Thomas Frist, was one of the founders of Hospital Corporation of America(HCA)based in Nashville and which made tons off Medicare/Medicaid. Frist(also a heart surgeon) stepped in afterwsrd and that’s where he made all his money before being elected to the Senate from TN. HCA is now HCAHealthcare and will be in postion to make tons off Obamacare. So, naturally, Frist wants to keep his postion at the governent trough.


16 posted on 09/26/2012 2:54:10 PM PDT by izzatzo (Just beat Obama.)
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To: svcw

They are all finding ways to make money off it.


17 posted on 09/26/2012 3:01:59 PM PDT by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: TurboZamboni

The GOP will not repeal ObamaCare, they will change its name

Boehner already promised to fund it.

It’s settled law now. Ugh

The GOP is the stupid party for a reason


18 posted on 09/26/2012 3:07:47 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: donna

Money appears to make the core objective, I think you are correct.


19 posted on 09/26/2012 3:11:05 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: TurboZamboni

Why is that a surprise? As one of the founders of one of the largest Healthcare oranizations in this country, he has a LOT more to gain by cozing up t obama and his “care”.


20 posted on 09/26/2012 3:14:21 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: TurboZamboni

Frist is talking the talk of the Left.
********
When did he ever talk the talk of the Right?


21 posted on 09/26/2012 3:52:38 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: CreviceTool

I have heard lott swings both ways... I know he is corrupt and a pos.

LLS


22 posted on 09/26/2012 3:57:15 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: CreviceTool

Karyn Frist filed for divorce from her husband of 31 years just this month.


23 posted on 09/26/2012 3:57:36 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: TurboZamboni

Bill Frist was one of the most ineffectual Senate Majority Leaders after Trent Lott. Both bozos never missed a chance to a miss chance. They were prime examples of what is wrong with the GOPee members of the Senate [and still is].


24 posted on 09/26/2012 4:07:48 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: TurboZamboni
Goes?

Limp wrist Frist went liberal ages ago.

25 posted on 09/26/2012 4:20:02 PM PDT by kitchen (Over gunned is better than the alternative.)
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To: TurboZamboni

The only medical insurance we could ever afford after my dad left his Air Force career was insurance on him, as the chief breadwinner. OMG how did his 8 kids ever survive, given we were always poor?!?!?!?

What did they do when I broke my arm - they paid the doctor, who set it in a cast, period. What did they do when I split my forehead open, to where you could see the skull - they paid the doctor who stiched me up in his office.

What did they do when one of us had a cold with a fever - home remedies until the fever broke; chicken pox - topical ointments until the bumps and iching subsided; severe sore throat - salt water gargle until it cleared up; chest and sinus congesttion related coughs - vicks vaporizer and chest packs; burns - ice followed by vaseline followed by gauze bandages; twisted ankle - no walking on foot, ice packs and foot kept elevated until weight could be put on foot again; stomach pains - pepto bismol, milk of magnesia, warm seven up and soda crackers, white rice in chicken broth and other “treatments” until stomach settled and identified by pain gone and ability to eat was normal;

and many more

and how? because a doctor told them what to do?;

no - because they did the kinds of things their parents had done as well as things they learned from others.

I never once saw a hospital or an emergency room and never had any kind of regular doctor, check up, or physical; neither did any of my seven siblings; all now surviving into our 60s and beyond.

Excessive health insurance has made for a medically ignorant and pampered “modern generation” that could never believe we all survived as children without it; as did our parents and grandparents and great-grandparents.


26 posted on 09/26/2012 4:27:35 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Starboard

There you go - the beard comes off.


27 posted on 09/26/2012 4:43:15 PM PDT by CreviceTool ( Obama is standing above the country above - above the world, he is sort of a God = Evan Thomas)
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To: Wuli

I generally agree, but there are hard cases, like chronic conditions that require expensive treatment.

If we returned to the old system, there is no doubt in my mind that charity would provide in these cases.

The difficulty is getting from here to there.

Rand Paul has suggested buying medical insurance like life insurance. He estimates that a basic 40,year policy, covering age 22-62, would cost about $3k/year.

The hard part is defining coverage in a way that makes actuarial sense forty years from now.


28 posted on 09/26/2012 4:46:34 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“Rand Paul has suggested buying medical insurance like life insurance. He estimates that a basic 40,year policy, covering age 22-62, would cost about $3k/year.....The hard part is defining coverage in a way that makes actuarial sense forty years from now.”

He’s right I believe, and it will require a staged process where people with health insurance set up by their employer would be moved to employers’ premium support for policies the employee choses themselves, policies sold in any state for coverage in any state - open national, personal health insurance market.

The big government plans would first be deconstructed to this model, providing the base for the big private employer and union based plans to follow, deconstructing themselves in the same fashion, adding back into the “individual” health insurance marketplace all the reserves and revenues that have been held in the giant segregated government, employer and union plans. Individual policies will become more affordable by that change alone. In time, employers can then gradually move from insurance premium support to one time wage increases, without changing “total compensation”. Eventually, the employer would no longer have a role, and “the poor” can be assisted with direct-voucher style premium support - again for whatever policy with whomever the individual selects.

I think 3K is too much based on how over-insured those that have health insurance are. Many “mandatory” coverages should be completely optional, some things (doctors visit) should not be insured at all, and more of a health insurance premium should go into a health savings account, creating more healthcare dollars spent at the individual’s discretion and increasing consumer market forces on many health care items.

Both Rand Paul and I agree that someone’s health insurance ought to “go with them” for as long as they want that policy, and regardless of changes of employment.

That does not require a “single payer” system. It requires a single open national market, with nationally available policies, that all individuals from all states participate in, regardless of employment. To do that will require staged deconstruction of the individual state markets with plans available by and segregated by employment; which currently leaves the largest revenues and reserves in health insurance segregated out of a truly open market.

None of the above can be attempted without recognition, in the law, that the essential requirement of regulation of any insurance industry is not for the products it offers, but, just like banks it is for the financial soundness of their operations - that revenues and reserves and things like stop-loss insurance all amount to an operation that looks like it can meet the insured risks it has taken on. Insurance regulation should not be for telling anyone, insurer or insurance policy holder, what kind of policy must be sold. Yes it must be clear what a policy insures and what it doesn’t; that’s transparency of contracts.

But a big part of what has been making health insurance so expensive and which continues in Obamacare is regulation (which began in the states) mandating what a policy MUST provide. If you don’t want to “insure” for any means of contraception, that (and anything else you don’t want to insure) ought to be your right and insurance “regulation” should have nothing to say about it.


29 posted on 09/26/2012 8:44:49 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: kabar

Bill Frist is a doctor. Doctors get paid from insurance covarage. This is ‘Cover-Your-Ass’ stuff from Bill Frist. He does not speak for me. I am a CONSERVATIVE. Health Care be damned. It is not guaranteed by the Constitution. Bill Frist and John Roberts can both go to hell.


30 posted on 09/26/2012 9:07:31 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: TurboZamboni

First has always ben a liberal socialist!


31 posted on 09/26/2012 9:10:38 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Bill Frist is more than just a doctor. He is a big time businessman in the health care industry. He began his career as a heart and lung transplant surgeon and is currently a major stockholder to the for-profit hospital chain of Hospital Corporation of America.

Frist has a fortune in the millions of dollars, most of it the result of his ownership of stock in Hospital Corporation of America, the for-profit hospital chain founded by his brother and father. Frist's 2005 financial disclosure form lists blind trusts valued between $15 million and $45 million.

It is all part of crony capitalism. In much the same way as AARP does, Frist stands to benefit financially from Obamacare.

32 posted on 09/26/2012 9:11:49 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Doctors should stick to medicine. They are notoriously dim when it comes to economics. What I don’t understand is how a Rebublican senator cannot see how every government program is a miserable failure that always costs more and delivers less than promised. There is no free lunch.


33 posted on 09/26/2012 10:25:05 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Starboard

In his 2009 memoir, Frist recounted meeting his future wife in 1979 when he attended to her at a clinic in Boston. He was engaged to another woman in Tennessee and broke it off a week before the wedding.


34 posted on 09/26/2012 10:41:50 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Wuli

Thank you for that very thoughtful post. Makes sense.


35 posted on 09/27/2012 2:17:51 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Bill Frist is a principle beneficiary of ObamaCare...one could argue he may be representative of a typical elitist parasite...leveraging the government of We the People to his ends...

“HCA was founded by relatives of former Senator Bill Frist of Tennessee, was once run by Florida Governor Rick Scott and is currently partly owned by Bain Capital, Mitt Romney’s former firm”

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/08/17/Incentives-Spike-Fee-for-Service-Health-Costs.aspx#page1

HCA settles insider trading suits for $20M
Proposed deal would effectively end two-year saga that dogged Frist family

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1598625HCA settles insider trading suits for $20M

“The landmark law endeavors to expand coverage to at least 30 million people, chiefly by expanding Medicaid and establishing a competitive online marketplace for consumers to more easily buy coverage. All of which means potentially far less hassle getting paid if you’re a large hospital chain like HCA Holdings (HCA) and Tenet Healthcare (THC): Their shares shot up 10 percent and 7 percent, respectively. Meanwhile, executives from Medicaid insurers were likely sending Chief Justice John Roberts ginormous Hug-Grams. Molina Healthcare (MOH), for example, jumped 7 percent.”

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-28/a-sick-rally-so-to-speak-for-hospital-stocks

‘Bammy was elected to put this mess in motion...Romney’s job is to cement it in place.

the work of We the People is to uproot the mess..and be sure DC ceases violating those for whom they work....

BTW...more sweetness and light...SIEU is anticipating a spot at your bedside under ObamaCare as well...

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/992-21-million-health-care-workers-to-be-unionized-under-obamacare

And in all probability is the mechanism by which the Muslim in Chief plans to “generate jobs” by fiat from DC.


36 posted on 09/27/2012 2:51:36 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Wuli

I’m sorry - your plan makes too much sense. What do you want next? That we buy cable TV based on the channels we watch rather than 600 we never watch?


37 posted on 09/29/2012 7:12:16 AM PDT by GOPJ (You only establish a feel for the line by having crossed it. - - Freeper One Name)
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