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To: neverdem

....didn’t the Catholic church endorse Obamacare before it passed?


11 posted on 09/27/2012 12:50:54 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Tzimisce
Yes, I believe they did along with a number of other Christians.

The reason was at that time there was no abortion/contraception mandate.

Essentially the regime reneged on their Executive Order Promise.

18 posted on 09/27/2012 5:53:11 AM PDT by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: Tzimisce; EBH
If by "the Church" you mean the USCCB (U.S. Conference of Cath Bishops), the answer is "No, but..."

(The "but" part kills me.)

Meaning they never came out FOR Obamacare explicitly by name, but did OK the idea of nationally-backed health insurance safety-net in principle.

And then they didn't come out AGAINST Obamacare until the bottom half of the final inning, when it became clear that Obamacare wasn't going to exclude funding for abortion, and wasn't going to support conscientious-objector opt-outs.

Then also, at the bottom-of-the-ninth, the Catholic Health Association in the person of Sr. Carol Keehan, DID endorse it, and, with ("pro-life Democrat") Rep. Bart Stupak, tipped it into the basket.

The CHA is not a "canonical Catholic organization," but is a professional trade association for CEO's of Catholic hospitals. Came out directly against the USCCB. Which doesn't make an iota of difference to most people, and therefore, as far as most people were concerned, it was "the Catholic Church."

Grrrrrr...

20 posted on 09/27/2012 2:52:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Tzimisce; EBH
If by "the Church" you mean the USCCB (U.S. Conference of Cath Bishops), the answer is "No, but..."

(The "but" part kills me.)

Meaning they never came out FOR Obamacare explicitly by name, but did OK the idea of nationally-backed health insurance safety-net in principle.

And then they didn't come out AGAINST Obamacare until the bottom half of the final inning, when it became clear that Obamacare wasn't going to exclude funding for abortion, and wasn't going to support conscientious-objector opt-outs.

Then also, at the bottom-of-the-ninth, the Catholic Health Association in the person of Sr. Carol Keehan, DID endorse it, and, with ("pro-life Democrat") Rep. Bart Stupak, tipped it into the basket.

The CHA is not a "canonical Catholic organization," but is a professional trade association for CEO's of Catholic hospitals. Came out directly against the USCCB. Which doesn't make an iota of difference to most people, and therefore, as far as most people were concerned, it was "the Catholic Church."

Grrrrrr...

21 posted on 09/27/2012 2:58:30 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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